[Freakinoldguy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Remember that Chretien sent Canadian troops to Afghanistan to secure for the Afghani's a form of freedom and democracy which they never had and without reservations I'll be the first to admit that despite trying it 2 different ways we failed miserably but, our intentions were good even if you don't think so.

Actually Canadians were sent to Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power in order to prevent Al Qeada from using it as an opertaions base.

Afghani is the currency, not the people.

$1:

Why is Canada fighting? To build a stable society based on the rule of the law that will join the community of nations and not give shelter to terrorists who threaten the West’s security (Editorial, Globe and Mail, February 2, 2008, p.A22).

Terms such as “stable society,” “rule of law,” “community of nations,” “terrorists” and “Western security” are some of the buzzwords one finds in mainstream political discourse about “Canada’s” purpose in “Afghanistan.”

Other related expressions include “development,” “developed societies,” economic “take-off,” “democratization” and “societies like ours” (meaning peaceful, orderly and well-governed).

http://www.thecanadiancharger.com/page.php?id=5&a=109

I guess you can see how I got confused about the real reasons we were in Afghanistan

But allow me to pose a question. If we weren't there to give them democracy why didn't we and the rest of our allies set up free elections and why didn't we just put a puppet leader in place instead of going through all that trouble?

Seems to me they probably wouldn't have know the difference given that their previous rulers weren't exactly models of democratic government and sorry about adding the "i" at the end of Afghan, it probably confused the crap out of people.

[andyt]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I know quite a few people who are muslims, all nice kind people, certainly nicer and kinder than your online persona (no offence), all of them modern and liberal, no beards, no burqas, no rigid lifestyle or self-segregation, and most drink booze...but nonetheless they are muslim. Will you weep for them?

Then they are not muslims.

But you are an idiot.

[Jabberwalker]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Remember that Chretien sent Canadian troops to Afghanistan to secure for the Afghani's a form of freedom and democracy which they never had and without reservations I'll be the first to admit that despite trying it 2 different ways we failed miserably but, our intentions were good even if you don't think so.

Actually Canadians were sent to Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power in order to prevent Al Qeada from using it as an opertaions base.

Afghani is the currency, not the people.

$1:

Why is Canada fighting? To build a stable society based on the rule of the law that will join the community of nations and not give shelter to terrorists who threaten the West’s security (Editorial, Globe and Mail, February 2, 2008, p.A22).

Terms such as “stable society,” “rule of law,” “community of nations,” “terrorists” and “Western security” are some of the buzzwords one finds in mainstream political discourse about “Canada’s” purpose in “Afghanistan.”

Other related expressions include “development,” “developed societies,” economic “take-off,” “democratization” and “societies like ours” (meaning peaceful, orderly and well-governed).

http://www.thecanadiancharger.com/page.php?id=5&a=109

I guess you can see how I got confused about the real reasons we were in Afghanistan

But allow me to pose a question. If we weren't there to give them democracy why didn't we and the rest of our allies set up free elections and why didn't we just put a puppet leader in place instead of going through all that trouble?

Seems to me they probably wouldn't have know the difference given that their previous rulers weren't exactly models of democratic government and sorry about adding the "i" at the end of Afghan, it probably confused the crap out of people.

I always thought that we were in Afghanistan because our biggest ally invoked Article 5 of our common alliance, thus compelling us to lend a hand. We've been freeloaders in NATO for years and there was a long-overdue tab to pay. Sadly, we paid it with the blood of our young men and women ... shame on us for letting others defend us. We were compelled to pay for that service with shed blood.

[Freakinoldguy]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I always thought that we were in Afghanistan because our biggest ally invoked Article 5 of our common alliance, thus compelling us to lend a hand. We've been freeloaders in NATO for years and there was a long-overdue tab to pay. Sadly, we paid it with the blood of our young men and women ... shame on us for letting others defend us. We were compelled to pay for that service with shed blood.

I think that it was a case of yes and no. We went because like you say, we were asked by our ally and after years of freeloading it was ultimately time to pay the piper and we did dearly. But, IIRC we were asked to go to Iraq to and we turned down that invitation so I'm assuming we could have done the same for Afghanistan had we been so inclined.

It may have been poor form but we could have, pardon the pun pulled a "Turkey" and sat on the sidelines wile avoiding going to either place, Article 5 or not.

[Jabberwalker]

Article 5 did not really apply to Iraq, scene 2. There was no direct threat to nor attack on the US, short of Rummy, Wolfie and Cheney on the loose.

[PluggyRug]

andyt andyt:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I know quite a few people who are muslims, all nice kind people, certainly nicer and kinder than your online persona (no offence), all of them modern and liberal, no beards, no burqas, no rigid lifestyle or self-segregation, and most drink booze...but nonetheless they are muslim. Will you weep for them?

Then they are not muslims.

But you are an idiot.

Takes a bigger one to know one. Why the name calling? You at a loss for words?

[andyt]

Pretty well, with your stupid statement. what else can be said? Ayatollah Pluggy, the authority on who's a muslim and who isn't.

Actually it's the same deranged thinking that the Islamists employ. They're big on telling people who's Muslim and who isn't, and get busy killing them for it.