[bambu]

Regina Regina:

You can't teach stupid..............

But you can teach wisdom.


Adhering to the UN Declaration of Human Rights is the best way to run a country;

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Article 3.
•Everyone has the right to life


Article 5.
•No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment


Article 7.
•All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

[Brenda]

And when the law tells you that when you commit such an atrocity, that when found guilty, death is the punishment, you will have to deal with it. The choice is to not do the crime.

Also, define 'everyone'. Does a really sick person need to be kept alive by all means just because they have that right, or would the choice of assisted suicide be the right one?
How about abortions? Who is 'everyone'?
Do you give up that right (see, it is not a duty...) when you take someone's (right to) life?

[bambu]

Brenda Brenda:

And when the law tells you that when you commit such an atrocity, that when found guilty, death is the punishment, you will have to deal with it. The choice is to not do the crime.

Also, define 'everyone'. Does a really sick person need to be kept alive by all means just because they have that right, or would the choice of assisted suicide be the right one?
How about abortions? Who is 'everyone'?
Do you give up that right (see, it is not a duty...) when you take someone's (right to) life?

No.
The state must not be taking lives...it has no right to do so.

Assisted suicide is different...the choice is with the person who is sick.

Abortion...tricky, 'the right to life'.
There should be no abortions unless the mother's life is in danger, or the baby could not have a 'normal' life.

[stratos]

$1:

No.
The state must not be taking lives...it has no right to do so.

Assisted suicide is different...the choice is with the person who is sick.

The choice was with the person who committed the crime. The state has the right to by the laws of the nation voted upon by the people of that nation. In this case the USA allows the people of each state to decide if they wish to have the death penalty Texas so wishes. If you are a criminal and want to commit murder I would suggest doing so in a state that does not have the death penalty. Texas will execute those who commit a capital crime.

[Freakinoldguy]

bambu bambu:

Brenda Brenda:

And when the law tells you that when you commit such an atrocity, that when found guilty, death is the punishment, you will have to deal with it. The choice is to not do the crime.

Also, define 'everyone'. Does a really sick person need to be kept alive by all means just because they have that right, or would the choice of assisted suicide be the right one?
How about abortions? Who is 'everyone'?
Do you give up that right (see, it is not a duty...) when you take someone's (right to) life?

No.
The state must not be taking lives...it has no right to do so.

News flash. The state is the people.

Instead of using the term state shouldn't you really be saying that "the people must not be taking lives, they have no right to do so"?

And if that's really the case shouldn't the people who commit murder and who just broke your tenant be subject to the same moral standard as the rest of the population whom you define as the state?

So, you're either hypocritical, trolling or just don't understand the concept of democracy especially in a state that has the ability to use the referendum system to maintain or abolish the death penalty and just because you don't agree with what the people or the state as they are collectively known chooses doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

[Brenda]

bambu bambu:

Brenda Brenda:

And when the law tells you that when you commit such an atrocity, that when found guilty, death is the punishment, you will have to deal with it. The choice is to not do the crime.

Also, define 'everyone'. Does a really sick person need to be kept alive by all means just because they have that right, or would the choice of assisted suicide be the right one?
How about abortions? Who is 'everyone'?
Do you give up that right (see, it is not a duty...) when you take someone's (right to) life?

No.
The state must not be taking lives...it has no right to do so.

Why not?

$1:

Assisted suicide is different...the choice is with the person who is sick.

The one that coldbloodedly murdered others just happened to stumble upon it?

$1:

Abortion...tricky, 'the right to life'.
There should be no abortions unless the mother's life is in danger, or the baby could not have a 'normal' life.

So now you decide what a woman should do with her body.

[bambu]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

bambu bambu:

Brenda Brenda:

And when the law tells you that when you commit such an atrocity, that when found guilty, death is the punishment, you will have to deal with it. The choice is to not do the crime.

Also, define 'everyone'. Does a really sick person need to be kept alive by all means just because they have that right, or would the choice of assisted suicide be the right one?
How about abortions? Who is 'everyone'?
Do you give up that right (see, it is not a duty...) when you take someone's (right to) life?

No.
The state must not be taking lives...it has no right to do so.

News flash. The state is the people.

Instead of using the term state shouldn't you really be saying that "the people must not be taking lives, they have no right to do so"?

And if that's really the case shouldn't the people who commit murder and who just broke your tenant be subject to the same moral standard as the rest of the population whom you define as the state?

So, you're either hypocritical, trolling or just don't understand the concept of democracy especially in a state that has the ability to use the referendum system to maintain or abolish the death penalty and just because you don't agree with what the people or the state as they are collectively known chooses doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

It does make it wrong, totally wrong, to bambu-ilk.
...for all the reasons I listed earlier in this thread.

It's very simple...Texas/Texans, the state/the people...call it whatever you like...when they execution-homicide people for killing human beings...are just the same as those they've execution-homicided......premeditated killers of human beings.
They stand condemned.

[bambu]

Brenda Brenda:

bambu bambu:

Brenda Brenda:

And when the law tells you that when you commit such an atrocity, that when found guilty, death is the punishment, you will have to deal with it. The choice is to not do the crime.

Also, define 'everyone'. Does a really sick person need to be kept alive by all means just because they have that right, or would the choice of assisted suicide be the right one?
How about abortions? Who is 'everyone'?
Do you give up that right (see, it is not a duty...) when you take someone's (right to) life?

No.
The state must not be taking lives...it has no right to do so.

Why not?

$1:

Assisted suicide is different...the choice is with the person who is sick.

The one that coldbloodedly murdered others just happened to stumble upon it?

$1:

Abortion...tricky, 'the right to life'.
There should be no abortions unless the mother's life is in danger, or the baby could not have a 'normal' life.

So now you decide what a woman should do with her body.

It has no moral right to...because bambu-ilk say so.
Of course it can by the laws it makes for itself execution-kill in cold blood anyone it likes.

In Texas/America it's all just normal to the people...wheeling corpses out of death chambers.

To many people outside America it's revolting, barbaric, and uncivilised.

Of course those who are dealing in death by execution-homiciding human beings in any way think that what they're doing is all just fine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlow_and_Chambers_execution

Australian Prime Minister Bob Hawke made a passionate plea for a stay of execution on behalf of the two men.

Hawke later described the hanging as "barbaric", a remark which chilled Australian relations with Malaysia.[23] Relations between the two nations were reportedly affected for a decade afterwards.[24] In response to the argument that no one has the right to take another's life, Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad replied, "You should tell that to the drug traffickers."[25]

At a press conference that occurred after the hangings Mohamad criticised use of the word "barbaric" and said it should not have been used to refer to Malaysia because "we have never had any lynchings and things like that which only barbarians like to do." He also said that hanging as a method of executing criminals originated in the west.[26]

UMNO Youth Leader Anwar Ibrahim also said use of the term "barbaric" was regrettable. He said "It is a generative word that passes judgement on our society—something we cannot accept and did not expect from such a friendly country."

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Friendly no more.
'Passes judgement'...sure does.


He argued that the consequences of drug trafficking were well known in Malaysia, and the need for strong deterrents to eliminate the activity was accepted internationally.

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Another deluded individual.
Well, he's sort of correct, can't be having drug trafficking... but only prison sentences are acceptable to most people.

Malaysia/Mahathir Mohamad were asked nicely not to execution-homicide Barlow and Chambers...but they basically told Australia to f off.
Then got all bent out of shape when white-hot hatred was hurled at them.

[stratos]

So in other words you feel you have the right to tell other nations what they should do with their criminals. By what right do you do this? You have said the Bible is on your side, when it has been shown that even the Bible allows for the State (Nation) to execute murderers. You have also gone on and condemned Japan for hunting whales while your beloved Australia hunts and kills dingo’s and even are given a reward by the state when you turn one in. Your so called moral authority fails in light of your flawed arguments and your own nations actions.

[Vamp018]

The USA is a Sovereign Nation with separation of powers and delegation of powers to the Individual states and Territories that make the USA. Those rights are enshrined in We the People of the United States. We are not bent over to any UN Laws or conventions. We can rip up in a minute any agreement with the UN at any time. Canada and Mexico are also Sovereign. Commit the crime in any of these nations and you are accountable under there Laws and Customs. In the Case of the US and Mexico you are accountable in Capitol murder defined by the State. Capitol crimes Federal wise are determined by the State of said occurred Murder or Treason. Do it in Texas you are getting executed after be convicted and appeals are exhausted and a warrant of death is signed by the State's Governor.

[Brenda]

I am just wondering what bambu is on...

[ShepherdsDog]

a soap box for one

[Jabberwalker]

Brenda Brenda:

I am just wondering what bambu is on...

It was (is?) a brand of cigarette rolling papers.

[bambu]

stratos stratos:

So in other words you feel you have the right to tell other nations what they should do with their criminals. By what right do you do this? You have said the Bible is on your side, when it has been shown that even the Bible allows for the State (Nation) to execute murderers. You have also gone on and condemned Japan for hunting whales while your beloved Australia hunts and kills dingo’s and even are given a reward by the state when you turn one in. Your so called moral authority fails in light of your flawed arguments and your own nations actions.

One of the 10 Commandments states : "Thou shalt not kill".

The UN Declaration of Human Rights has come along since the Bible was written.

Dingoes?

First a fence was built...the longest fence in the world...to keep dingoes from killing farmer Joe's sheep.

Are they Japanese sheep, or Japanese dingoes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_Fence

The dingo fence...The Dingo Fence or Dog Fence is a pest-exclusion fence that was built in Australia during the 1880s and finished in 1885, to keep dingoes out of the relatively fertile south-east part of the continent (where they had largely been exterminated) and protect the sheep flocks of southern Queensland.
It is one of the longest structures in the world and is the world's longest fence. It stretches 5,614 kilometres (3,488 mi)[1] from Jimbour on the Darling Downs near Dalby through thousands of kilometres of arid land ending west of Eyre peninsula on cliffs of the Nullarbor Plain[2] above the Great Australian Bight[3] (131° 40' E),[4] near Nundroo.[5]
It has been partly successful, though dingoes can still be found in parts of the southern states. Although the fence has helped reduce losses of sheep to predators, this has been countered by holes in fences found in the 1990s through which dingo offspring have passed[2] and by increased pasture competition from rabbits and kangaroos.[/i]


Dingoes...wild dogs.
If dingoes[or foxes etc]were killing your lambs, what would you do?


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I don't seem to be able to start a new thread?
Why is that I wonder?

[andyt]

List of death row inmates later found innocent:

United States[edit source | editbeta]
1930-1939[edit source | editbeta]
1937

1.Willie Roberson, Olen Montgomery, Eugene Williams, and Roy Wright Alabama. Convicted 1931.
1970-1979[edit source | editbeta]
1973

1. David Keaton Florida (Keaton v. State, 273 So.2d 385 (1973)). Convicted 1971.
1974

2. Samuel A. Poole North Carolina (State v. Poole, 203 S.E.2d 786 (N.C. 1974)). Convicted 1973.
1975

3. Wilbert Lee Florida (Pitts v. State 247 So.2d 53 (Fla. 1971), overturned and released by pardon in 1975). Convicted 1963.
4. Freddie Pitts Florida (Pitts v. State 247 So.2d 53 (Fla. 1971), overturned and released by pardon in 1975). Convicted 1965.
5. James Creamer Georgia (Emmett v. Ricketts, 397 F. Supp 1025 (N.D. Ga. 1975)). Convicted 1973.
6. Christopher Spicer North Carolina (State v. Spicer, 204 SE 2d 641 (1974)). Convicted 1973.
1976

7. Clarence Norris Alabama. Convicted 1931.
8. Thomas Gladish New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
9. Richard Greer New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
10. Ronald Keine New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
11. Clarence Smith New Mexico. Convicted 1974.
1977

11. Delbert Tibbs Florida. Convicted 1974.
1978

12. Earl Charles Georgia. Convicted 1975.
13. Jonathan Treadway Arizona. Convicted 1975.
1979

14. Gary Beeman Ohio. Convicted 1976.
1980-1989[edit source | editbeta]
1980

15. Jerry Banks.
16. Larry Hicks.
1981

17. Charles Ray Giddens.
18. Michael Linder.
19. Johnny Ross.
20. Ernest (Shuhaa) Graham.
1982

21. Annibal Jaramillo.
22. Lawyer Johnson Massachusetts (Commonwealth v. Johnson, 429 N.E.2d 726 (1982)). Convicted 1971.
1985

23. Larry Fisher.
1986

24. Anthony Brown.
25. Neil Ferber.
26. Clifford Henry Bowen.
1987

27. Joseph Green Brown. He was re-arrested in 2012 and charged with another murder in North Carolina.[2]
28. Perry Cobb.
29. Darby (Williams) Tillis.
30. Vernon McManus.
31. Anthony Ray Peek.
32. Juan Ramos.
33. Robert Wallace.
1988

34. Richard Neal Jones.
35. Willie Brown.
36. Larry Troy.
1989

37. Randall Dale Adams Texas (Ex Parte Adams, 768 S.W.2d 281) (Tex. Crim App. 1989). Convicted 1977.[3][4]
38. Robert Cox.
39. James Richardson.
On April 8, 2010, former death row inmate Timothy B. Hennis, once exonerated in 1989, was reconvicted of a triple murder, thereby dropping him from the list of those exonerated. [1] Sentenced to death by military court-martial 15 April 2010
1990-1999[edit source | editbeta]
1990

40. Clarence Brandley Texas (Ex Parte Brandley, 781 S.W.2d 886 (Tex. Crim App. 1989). Convicted 1981.
41. John C. Skelton.
42. Dale Johnston.
43. Jimmy Lee Mathers.
1991

44. Gary Nelson.
45. Bradley P. Scott.
46. Charles Smith.
1992

47. Jay C. Smith Pennsylvania. Convicted 1986.
1993

48. Kirk Bloodsworth Maryland. Convicted 1984. Exonerated 1993; first prisoner to be exonerated by DNA evidence. Serving life in prison when exonerated, as earlier death sentence was overturned.
49. Federico M. Macias.
50. Walter McMillan.
51. Gregory R. Wilhoit Oklahoma. Convicted 1987. Along with Ron Williamson, Wilhoit later became the subject of John Grisham's 2006 non-fiction book The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town.[5]
52. James Robison.
53. Muneer Deeb.
1994

54. Andrew Golden.
1995

55. Adolph Munson.
56. Robert Charles Cruz. (Cruz disappeared in 1997. His remains were found in 2007.[6])
57. Rolando Cruz.
58. Alejandro Hernández.
59. Sabrina Butler.
1996

60. Joseph Burrows. Joseph Burrows was released from death row after his attorney Kathleen Zellner persuaded the real killer to confess at the post-conviction hearing, and Peter Rooney, a reporter for the Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette, obtained a recantation from a key witness. [2]. The Burrows case was the subject of a book by Rooney titled "Die Free: A True Story of Murder, Betrayal and Miscarried Justice" [3]
61. Verneal Jimerson.
62. Dennis Williams.
63. Roberto Miranda.
64. Gary Gauger
65. Troy Lee Jones.
66. Carl Lawson.
67. David Wayne Grannis.
1997

68. Ricardo Aldape Guerra.
69. Benjamin Harris.
70. Robert Hayes.
71. Christopher McCrimmon.
72. Randall Padgett.
It is later revealed, through additional research by Prof. Samuel Gross of the University of Michigan, that though James Bo Cochran was acquitted of murder, he did plead guilty to a robbery charge in an agreement made with prosecutors prior to his release. Therefore, Cochran is no longer on the list of those exonerated from death row. [4]
1998

73. Robert Lee Miller, Jr.
74. Curtis Kyles.
1999

75. Shareef Cousin Louisiana (Louisiana v. Cousin, 710 So. 2d 1065 (1998)). Convicted 1996.
76. Anthony Porter Illinois. Convicted 1983.
77. Steven Smith.
78. Ronald Williamson Oklahoma. Convicted 1988. Along with Gregory R. Wilhoit, Williamson later became the inspiration for and subject of John Grisham's 2006 non-fiction book The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town.[5]
79. Ronald Jones.
80. Clarence Dexter, Jr.
81. Warren Douglas Manning.
82. Alfred Rivera.
2000-2009[edit source | editbeta]
2000

83. Steve Manning.
84. Eric Clemmons.
85. Joseph Nahume Green.
86. Earl Washington Virginia (pardoned). Convicted 1994 (1984, without life sentence).
87. William Nieves.
88. Frank Lee Smith (died prior to exoneration).
89. Michael Graham.
90. Albert Burrell.
91. Oscar Lee Morris.
2001

92. Peter Limone.
93. Gary Drinkard.
94. Joachin José Martínez.
95. Jeremy Sheets.
96. Charles Fain.
2002

97. Juan Roberto Melendez-Colon Florida. Convicted 1984.
98. Ray Krone Arizona (State v. Krone, 897 P.2d 621 (Ariz. 1995) (en banc)). Convicted 1992.
99. Thomas Kimbell, Jr.
100. Larry Osborne.
2003

101. Aaron Patterson.
102. Madison Hobley.
103. Leroy Orange.
104. Stanley Howard.
105. Rudolph Holton.
106. Lemuel Prion.
107. Wesley Quick.
108. John Thompson.
109. Timothy Howard Ohio. Convicted 1976.
110. Gary Lamar James Ohio. Convicted 1976.
111. Joseph Amrine.
112. Nicholas Yarris Pennsylvania (Pennsylvania v. Yarris, No 690-OF1982, Court of Common Pleas, Delaware County, September 3, 2003. Order vacating conviction). Convicted 1982.
2004

113. Alan Gell.
114. Gordon Steidl.
115. Laurence Adams.
116. Dan L. Bright.
117. Ryan Matthews.
118. Ernest Ray Willis.
2005

119. Derrick Jamison.
120. Harold Wilson.
2006

121. John Ballard.
2007

122. Curtis McCarty.
123. Michael McCormick.
124. Jonathon Hoffman.
2008

125. Kennedy Brewer Mississippi. Convicted 1995.
126. Glen Edward Chapman North Carolina. Convicted 1995.
127. Levon "Bo" Jones[7] North Carolina. Convicted 1993.
128. Michael Blair Texas.
2009

129. Nathson Fields Illinois. Convicted 1986.
130. Paul House Tennessee. Convicted 1986.
131. Daniel Wade Moore Alabama. Convicted 2002.
132. Ronald Kitchen Illinois. Convicted 1988.
133. Herman Lindsey Florida. Convicted 2006.
134. Michael Toney Texas. Convicted 1999. (Toney later died in a car accident on October 3, 2009, just one month and a day after his exoneration.).[8]
135. Yancy Douglas Oklahoma. Convicted 1997.
136. Paris Powell Oklahoma. Convicted 1997.
137. Robert Springsteen Texas. Convicted 2001.
2010-2012[edit source | editbeta]
2010

138. Joe D'Ambrosio Ohio. Convicted 1989. (While he was freed in 2010, but not yet exonerated, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal by the state of Ohio challenging the unconditional writ of habeas corpus and bar to D'Ambrosio's re-prosecution on January 23, 2012, nearly 2 years later, making D'Ambrosio the 140th death row exoneree since 1973. [5])
139. Anthony Graves Texas. Convicted 1994.
2011

140. Gussie Vann Tennessee. Convicted 1994.
2012

141. Damon Thibodeaux Louisiana. Convicted 1997.
142. Seth Penalver Florida. Convicted 1994.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ex ... ted_States