[PublicAnimalNo9]

Gunnair Gunnair:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Correct. However, the last bombings were done by non-Muslim domestics. A fact conveniently overlooked in the rush to amp up the usual Muslims are bad party line.

Yeah, from a domestic perspective maybe. Tally up the number of acts by radical Muslims and radical Sikhs perpetrated on others on a global level, and I'm betting the farm the muzzies leave the Sikhs in the dust.

Also keep in mind, the last several arrests for plotting terrorism in Canada did NOT involve Sikhs.
Just because there haven't been any successful attempts by radical islamists is no reason to deflect and point to the one non-Muslim group that did pull off a successful attack.

I mean when we hear about these kinds of arrests, no-one is thinking "I bet it's those darn Sikhs", despite the one tragic 28 yr old event. And if you seriously think about it, I think you know why no-one does.

Yes, from a domestic perspective since my reply was against t.he insinuations that imported Muslims and domestics were the cornerstone of terrorism in Canada. They are not.

They aren't? Then who were all those people getting busted for plotting terrorist activities in Canada over the last few years? The IRA?

[Gunnair]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Gunnair Gunnair:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yeah, from a domestic perspective maybe. Tally up the number of acts by radical Muslims and radical Sikhs perpetrated on others on a global level, and I'm betting the farm the muzzies leave the Sikhs in the dust.

Also keep in mind, the last several arrests for plotting terrorism in Canada did NOT involve Sikhs.
Just because there haven't been any successful attempts by radical islamists is no reason to deflect and point to the one non-Muslim group that did pull off a successful attack.

I mean when we hear about these kinds of arrests, no-one is thinking "I bet it's those darn Sikhs", despite the one tragic 28 yr old event. And if you seriously think about it, I think you know why no-one does.

Yes, from a domestic perspective since my reply was against t.he insinuations that imported Muslims and domestics were the cornerstone of terrorism in Canada. They are not.

They aren't? Then who were all those people getting busted for plotting terrorist activities in Canada over the last few years? The IRA?

Batsy, don't be silly.

Start off with Ludwig and his group that did a series of successful if futile bombings in northern BC - which for starters is more than what a number of ham fisted jihadists have accomplished with some if their ridiculous plots (behead the PM come now)

I will gladly admit that the two Islamist plot have garnered lots of attention but a cursory look will reveal that there have been plenty of previous and successful plots delivered in a far more capable manner including environmentalists, anarchists, Sikhs, Armenians, nationalists etc.

My point is, we've had more successful domestic terrorism from everyone but Jihadis - something that appears to be overlooked by some in the rush to panic over the latest silly plot.

[andyt]

Have we had a Muslim based actual terror incident in Canada? I can't recall one, but that doesn't mean we haven't. We certainly want to watch sketchy Muslims like hawks, but maybe we are and are being successful. The post I made about Muslim cooperation with authorities is a hopeful sign. What we need next is to be sharper with imported Imams who preach jihad in mosques.

[peck420]

The biggest threat to Canada is, and always will be, Canadians.

Same goes for any country.

Not only do our actions have the ability to destroy this nation, our inactions do as well.

As for bombings and attempted bombings, Gunnair is correct. There have been more successful bombings in BC then there has been, advertised Muslim attempts in Canada.
(Edit: Sorry, forgot to mention, that is for 2012 alone).

Granted, that only accounts for advertised attempts. Who knows how many attempts were thwarted and never advertised.

[raydan]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

you've demonstrated a tendency to get very personal very quickly in the past

And you haven't?? FFS most of us are guilty of this, and you seem to forget that that includes you, as others can attest to. Take a midol already

Gunnair complaining about posters getting personal is like me complaining when they get silly.

[OnTheIce]

Gunnair Gunnair:

My point is, we've had more successful domestic terrorism from everyone but Jihadis - something that appears to be overlooked by some in the rush to panic over the latest silly plot.

The question is who is the biggest threat right now to the Canadian people. It's not about who's been the most successful over the last 50-60 years.

It's not the FLQ of the 60's or the Sikh's of the 80's, the biggest threat to Canada right now is Islamist terrorists.

5 Years ago we rounded up the "Toronto 18" with plots to hit all sorts of targets in Ontario and now we have this most recent threat.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Have we had a Muslim based actual terror incident in Canada? I can't recall one, but that doesn't mean we haven't. We certainly want to watch sketchy Muslims like hawks, but maybe we are and are being successful. The post I made about Muslim cooperation with authorities is a hopeful sign. What we need next is to be sharper with imported Imams who preach jihad in mosques.

Agreed, there is a clear and present danger from Islamist extremists in the world and potentially in Canada. However, our focus should not ignore the more credible but potentially less destructive threats that have had more previous success than the pie in the sky dreams of radicalized Jihadies carrying out a northern 9/11. Nor in our haste to paint immigrants as bad and stinking of extremism should we forget that extremism is not the sole property of immigrants.

[Gunnair]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Gunnair Gunnair:

My point is, we've had more successful domestic terrorism from everyone but Jihadis - something that appears to be overlooked by some in the rush to panic over the latest silly plot.

The question is who is the biggest threat right now to the Canadian people. It's not about who's been the most successful over the last 50-60 years.

It's not the FLQ of the 60's or the Sikh's of the 80's, the biggest threat to Canada right now is Islamist terrorists.

5 Years ago we rounded up the "Toronto 18" with plots to hit all sorts of targets in Ontario and now we have this most recent threat.

Do a cursory search to find out what the last successful terrorist attack was and who did it.

You should be able to figure that out.

[OnTheIce]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Do a cursory search to find out what the last successful terrorist attack was and who did it.

You should be able to figure that out.

Again, the questions wasn't 'who was most recently successful' but who's currently the biggest threat. The two aren't necessarily the same.

[Gunnair]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Do a cursory search to find out what the last successful terrorist attack was and who did it.

You should be able to figure that out.

Again, the questions wasn't 'who was most recently successful' but who's currently the biggest threat. The two aren't necessarily the same.

The latest jihadi threat posed no threat to the public - in other words, they hasn't made it off the drawing board or maybe even to the drawing board.

Others have been less of a threat, but have been successful.

The two are definitely not the same.

[Thanos]

Except for Air India the other Canadian terrorists aren't going for a massive fatality count. Ludwig and environmentalists went in more for nuisance value, with the potential terrorism charges being laid against them because an oilfield worker could be in the wrong place at the wrong time if a bomb at a pumping station goes off. Ditto with any Canadian extremists who bombed/arsoned any abortion clinics in that they, as opposed to the ones in the US, always were extremely careful that no one was in the area when the damage occurred to the property. The FLQ killings were absolutely vile, but then again they were very target specific and not randomly aimed at the populace at large.

Contrast this to the attempts by Muslims since 9/11, including the Boston episode. The object of those potential attacks was clearly to inflict mass death in a single instance. This is why this type of terrorism, including that which the fringe right-wing in the US tries to perpetrate (e.g. last years attempt to blow up the MLK Day parade in Spokane, Wash.), has to be taken a lot more seriously.

[peck420]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Again, the questions wasn't 'who was most recently successful' but who's currently the biggest threat. The two aren't necessarily the same.

Depends on where you are, I would guess?

In Alberta, I would say that environmental terrorists are a much bigger threat then Muslims.

I don't even want to think about what would happen if Edmonton's east side refineries were hit.

Casualties would be counted in 10's of thousands if it happened on a weekday.

[Gunnair]

peck420 peck420:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Again, the questions wasn't 'who was most recently successful' but who's currently the biggest threat. The two aren't necessarily the same.

Depends on where you are, I would guess?

In Alberta, I would say that environmental terrorists are a much bigger threat then Muslims.

I don't even want to think about what would happen if Edmonton's east side refineries were hit.

Casualties would be counted in 10's of thousands if it happened on a weekday.

Exactly.

[EyeBrock]

Gunnair Gunnair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Actually I was challenging your posistion on this thread. You can't take debate anymore?

I can. However, you've demonstrated a tendency to get very personal very quickly in the past, ridiculing my service in the RCN when it suits you to score some point, so I've decided not to engage with you, EB. I've spent too much time in the service of my country and too much time deployed away from home to have it ridiculed by guys like you.

Frankly, I thought that behaviour was beneath you, but clearly I was wrong.

So as I said, just moving on.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Or is the question to difficult to answer? You were pretty adamant earlier on in the thread about your POV. Cop out Gunny.

Using the Air India bombing (I'm guessing that is the domestic incident although it blew up in Irish airspace) as your source to support your POV seems flawed. We already have several people, all Jihadis, that have been convicted of terrorist offences in Canada. Now we have two more guys to add to the list, both Jihadis. The biggest threat to Canada's security is from Islamic terrorists.

Adding in that this was 'merely on the drawing board, no harm here etc' demonstrates very flawed thinking. Locking these guys up before they kill and maim Canadians is a much better plan than waiting for the murders to happen.

Your position is pretty indefensible and I'd say your reluctance to answer because of my 'belligerence' is pure avoidance of defending a crappy line of logic.

Having a good sob about some past mickey taking is all very fragile of you. Especially for one so willing to engage in frontal assaults on anybody, as this thread can attest to. Banter between military services predates the Legions.

If you can't hack it here on CKA anymore, you have options.

[Jonny_C]

peck420 peck420:

In Alberta, I would say that environmental terrorists are a much bigger threat then Muslims.

I don't even want to think about what would happen if Edmonton's east side refineries were hit.

Casualties would be counted in 10's of thousands if it happened on a weekday.

And on what, exactly, would you base that?