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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:58 pm
 


This is why the current CPC is in a bit of trouble. Fiscal conservatives..the majority of Canadians.. don't practice social conservatism. The LPC tried to do the NDP Lite thing and drove the fiscal conservatives into the arms of the CPC. Should Blue Libs regain control of the LPC..or PET Jr. prove to be one.. they'll be back in power. This will leave the NDP and CPC as fringe parties





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Minister says she's satisfied with bill, despite opposition

Manitoba's education minister reiterated the government's unwillingness to alter its anti-bullying bill despite increased pressure on Friday from federal Conservative politicians and religious communities.
Nancy Allan wouldn't absolutely rule out amendments to Bill 18, but she said the government is comfortable with the proposed legislation and unwilling to make any substantive changes.
"We are not in the process of making any exceptions for faith-based groups. We have faith-based groups that support the legislation," Allan told reporters after participating in a funding announcement for a community arena.
"At the end of the day, we're going to provide a safe and caring learning environment for all of our students in all of our schools in the province of Manitoba."
Bill 18 was introduced in the legislature in December. It will be debated this spring.
On Friday, Winnipeg Conservative MP Rod Bruinooge said he believes the NDP's Bill 18 could infringe on the religious freedoms of other faiths besides some Christian groups.
Bruinooge also said the anti-bullying bill should provide exceptions for religious schools from the parts of the bill they believe violates their religious freedom.
He said letters sent by leaders in the Muslim, Sikh, Jewish and Coptic communities to Premier Greg Selinger detail their concerns Bill 18 could trample their religious freedoms in what they preach and teach.
He said in a statement he's written a letter to Selinger, detailing the concerns from those faith communities.
"I think they have valid concerns and I support them," the Winnipeg South MP said.
Bruinooge is the second MP to enter the debate on Bill 18. Last week, Public Safety Minister and Steinbach MP Vic Toews said court action might be required to see if Bill 18 violates Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms on religious grounds.
Allan introduced Bill 18 last fall in part in response to last fall's suicide of Amanda Todd, a Grade 10 student from British Columbia who had been blackmailed, taunted in person and online and physically attacked. Prior to her death, Todd, 15, had posted a video on YouTube in which she used flash cards to tell of her experience of being bullied.
Allan's bill says schools must promote gender equity, anti-racism and the awareness and understanding of, and respect for, people of all sexual orientations and gender identities.
It also says schools must use the name gay-straight alliance, "or any other name that is consistent with the promotion of a positive school environment that is inclusive and accepting of all pupils."
In one letter to the premier, Rabbi Avrohom Altein of the Chabad-Lubavitch Jewish Learning Centre said while he supports efforts to protect children from bullies, Bill 18 should not come at the expense of embracing "every opinion and every behaviour."
"We each have different and often opposing beliefs in politics, religion and moral," he said in his letter. "Orthodox Judaism believes in the sanctity of the Bible that rejects homosexuality, as do other great religions. That is not because of intolerance of people that have a natural inclination towards such lifestyles."
Progressive Conservative education critic Kelvin Goertzen said the four letters demonstrate opposition to Bill 18 is not just confined to some Christian groups.
"The debate is much wider than has been suggested by the (education) minister," Goertzen said, adding that alone should tell the Selinger government significant changes are needed before the bill becomes law.


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Steinbach MLA Kelvin Goertzen has deleted his Twitter account after engaging in a heated debate over his opposition to an anti-bullying bill.

The Conservative MLA has voiced his opposition to Bill 18, new provincial anti-bullying legislation introduced by the NDP.

Goertzen has been very active on Twitter and engaged a number of other uses on a wide variety of topics.

He told a Steinbach news outlet on Tuesday he deleted the account because of negative comments about his position on Bill 18.


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Nobody but a small minority of biggots is opposed to this. Reasonable people are offended by the outrage towards it.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:48 am
 


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Funny last time I checked Jesus was pretty discriminatory.

I mean if you don't worship the dude he's such a huge bully he will throw your ass into a fire of eternal torture.

No Jesus isn't a discriminatory asshole at all.


You've met him? Or were you reading after the fact attributes and actions ascribed to him decades later by politically minded people?

Pity you didn't do a pause 2..3.. before knee jerking your thoughtless dislike of all things religion.


Your making an assumption Jesus was a real person. Also if someone is going to attribute things to Jesus using the bible it's fair game to use that same book to point out other attributes of the dude.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:53 am
 


Sounds like you and Jesus have a bit in common


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I love how anytime I point out religion the arguments on the other side are actually so bad all you resort to is personal attacks. No one even wants to try addressing the idea that Jesus isn't being a total jerk throwing people into infinite torture for a finite lifetime.

Nope it's just easier to poison the well.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:05 am
 


Maybe you should look up the word "Allegory", JF.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:08 am
 


On other topics you're 'reasonable' . When it comes to religion.....we get it ...you have hostility/abandonment issues over your loss of faith





PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:13 am
 


Is there something you propose to do about it Jeff? You either believe it or not.

If your argument is with Jesus, then why get upset about it here? It's a bit off topic.

If you believe you're going to get thrown into the pit, then you're in for a rough ride I guess. I hope you find peace some day.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:21 pm
 


Yea I speak out openly against it. That's doing something. We all have things we fell strongly about.

I feel that religion is one of the biggest if not the biggest threat to our continued survival as a species. There is nothing "personal" about it.

Oh and Curtman you can kindly can the condescension. I feel quite at peace with life thank you for your concern.





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Good luck with that.

If there is no Jesus, he's neither good nor bad.


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CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:
I feel that religion is one of the biggest if not the biggest threat to our continued survival as a species. There is nothing "personal" about it.

You "feel" but it's not personal...



...and they say religion isn't logical. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:03 pm
 


Well you got me there. [B-o]

I think you get what I mean though. I guess in a way I'm like Curtman with weed or Bart with Muslims. XD


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:10 pm
 


CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:
Gunnair Gunnair:
CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:
Funny last time I checked Jesus was pretty discriminatory.

I mean if you don't worship the dude he's such a huge bully he will throw your ass into a fire of eternal torture.

No Jesus isn't a discriminatory asshole at all.


You've met him? Or were you reading after the fact attributes and actions ascribed to him decades later by politically minded people?

Pity you didn't do a pause 2..3.. before knee jerking your thoughtless dislike of all things religion.


Your making an assumption Jesus was a real person. Also if someone is going to attribute things to Jesus using the bible it's fair game to use that same book to point out other attributes of the dude.


I am assuming Jesus was a real person - I don't think that's a stretch to believe. Whether he was the Son of God is a different topic, however.

As for the attributes, even a pagan like me understands that the New Testament is the new covenant with God. It doesn't erase the Old Testament but one can clearly read the difference of tone - fire and brimstone vs love thy neighbour.

If I can pick that out as a devout pagan, then a smart atheist like you should be able to exercise better judgement. Or you would if the obvious issues and agenda didn't get in the way of it. :?


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CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:
I love how anytime I point out religion the arguments on the other side are actually so bad all you resort to is personal attacks. No one even wants to try addressing the idea that Jesus isn't being a total jerk throwing people into infinite torture for a finite lifetime.

Nope it's just easier to poison the well.


You call Jesus an asshole, and then complain that someone makes a eprsonal attack against you? Basically you deliberately offend people and then take offence when they are offended.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:16 pm
 


CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:
I love how anytime I point out religion the arguments on the other side are actually so bad all you resort to is personal attacks. No one even wants to try addressing the idea that Jesus isn't being a total jerk throwing people into infinite torture for a finite lifetime.

Nope it's just easier to poison the well.


It doesn't actually sound like you know much about Christianity.

How long before we get your muddled take on Buddhism saying some hideous fat guy from India uses a Karma spell to turn people into worms because they stepped on them after a rainstorm? :roll:

Maybe if you didn't start any discussion on religion with a broad front line offensive starting off the the usual poorly aimed and planned 'I hate religion' artillery bombardment to soften the target, your next line of attack wouldn't get caught up in the barbed wire of points you missed and be flattened with a single rational machine gun rebuttal. :wink:


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