[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

It might be a red herring save for you initiating the tangent on practical best interests for a society as opposed to moral ones.

Then it becomes a relevant example undermining your point.

Not at all because, if you can convince me that it's a net benefit to society to ban junk food, I'll support the ban. Regardless, it seems a much grander undertaking than anything we're talking about in the pot-legalization debate.

Gunnair Gunnair:

Or, if you want anarchy of the individual, move to Somalia.

Legalized pot is a long way from a Somalian-free-for-all, but you make a fair point. However, when you consider the pervasiveness of criminal gangs in Canada, we're likely a lot more like Somalia now than we would be with legalization.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Come on Lemmy, are you really going to go down the "free Country" route?

Why not? Isn't that what we're supposed to be?

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

There's more people than just responsible adults. We have irresponsible adults, teenagers and children.

So what?

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

We are free to live within the laws.

We aren't free when the laws we pass cause more harm than good.

The list of things we need to legalize so that criminal elements don't cause social harm seems long. Let's make a list:

Prostitution
Drugs
Speeding

Next...

[andyt]

Well, you're for legalizing pot. Prostituion, is already illegal, just communicating for the purposes, living off the avails and keeping common bawdy house are not. Very stupid, surely you don't agree with that situation. Speeding, you making the argument that we'd have less social harm from not having speed laws? Driving is legal, just regulated, the way pot should be.

Next.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Well, you're for legalizing pot. Prostituion, is already illegal, just communicating for the purposes, living off the avails and keeping common bawdy house are not. Very stupid, surely you don't agree with that situation. Speeding, you making the argument that we'd have less social harm from not having speed laws? Driving is legal, just regulated, the way pot should be.

Next.

Since speed laws are rarely followed, the social good can be questioned and the limit of freedom can be proposed.

Really. As a tired old wannabe activist sippin a Timmies, you don't really have a dog in this fight anyway.

Next.

Honestly, Andy, you'd argue with your own toes given the chance.

[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

Well, you're for legalizing pot. Prostituion, is already illegal, just communicating for the purposes, living off the avails and keeping common bawdy house are not. Very stupid, surely you don't agree with that situation. Speeding, you making the argument that we'd have less social harm from not having speed laws? Driving is legal, just regulated, the way pot should be.

Next.

Maybe it's time for the old reverse-strawman..

Since you'll never get rid of drugs, prostitution, murder, etc. You might as well not do anything about any part of them. It's a waste of time if you can't get rid of all crime.

Maybe it makes sense to these guys who think removing billions of dollars of revenue from gangs every year isn't worth it.

[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

andyt andyt:

Well, you're for legalizing pot. Prostituion, is already illegal, just communicating for the purposes, living off the avails and keeping common bawdy house are not. Very stupid, surely you don't agree with that situation. Speeding, you making the argument that we'd have less social harm from not having speed laws? Driving is legal, just regulated, the way pot should be.

Next.

Since speed laws are rarely followed, the social good can be questioned and the limit of freedom can be proposed.

Really. As a tired old wannabe activist sippin a Timmies, you don't really have a dog in this fight anyway.

Next.

Honestly, Andy, you'd argue with your own tows given the chance.

Feel free to question the effectiveness of speed laws and propose an alternative that you think would work better.

I have a dog in this fight, I think prohibition is causing more harm than good. It affects me in all sorts of ways, from the taxes I pay for the justice system that are wasted, to healthcare that could otherwise be allocated, to the psychological harm of hearing about killings in your neighborhood.

I'm arguing for the position I hold, not arguing against it just for shit disturbing or to fit in with my forum buddies.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Gunnair Gunnair:

andyt andyt:

Well, you're for legalizing pot. Prostituion, is already illegal, just communicating for the purposes, living off the avails and keeping common bawdy house are not. Very stupid, surely you don't agree with that situation. Speeding, you making the argument that we'd have less social harm from not having speed laws? Driving is legal, just regulated, the way pot should be.

Next.

Since speed laws are rarely followed, the social good can be questioned and the limit of freedom can be proposed.

Really. As a tired old wannabe activist sippin a Timmies, you don't really have a dog in this fight anyway.

Next.

Honestly, Andy, you'd argue with your own tows given the chance.

Feel free to question the effectiveness of speed laws and propose an alternative that you think would work better.

I have a dog in this fight, I think prohibition is causing more harm than good. It affects me in all sorts of ways, from the taxes I pay for the justice system that are wasted, to healthcare that could otherwise be allocated, to the psychological harm of hearing about killings in your neighborhood.

I'm arguing for the position I hold, not arguing against it just for shit disturbing or to fit in with my forum buddies.

Nope, you are definitely one of those that argue for the shits and giggles it gives you on your coffee break.

Honestly, you waffle more then the Belgians here.

[andyt]

$1:

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.

But no contradiction here. If I thought prohibition led to the greater good, I'd be all for it. And if some doper or drinker felt his lifestyle impinged by that, my heart would not bleed. But, I don't think prohibition works, I think it causes more harm than good, so that's what I'm for. No waffling at all.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Gotta try something different, because prohibition isn't working. This is where your argument falls down. It's based on the premise that prohibition works. Would be nice if it did, but what if that's just not true?

You're correct, prohibition doesn't work but that doesn't mean we stop doing what's right because we're tired of doing something that's not 100% effective.

We have lots of laws and effort go into things that are increasingly growing yet we don't just throw our hands in the air and give up.

andyt andyt:

Silver bullet - more strawman stuff. Can you really not put your point forward without it?

Can you or Curtman? I'm not the one making these suggestions, someone on your side of the conversation is. You're the one claiming that a large percentage of crime will be cut out....that's a silver-bullet my friend

andyt andyt:

Setting an example - it is to laugh.

You and Lemmy have this in common. You could care less about anyone but yourselves.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You and Lemmy have this in common. You could care less about anyone but yourselves.

You're an asshole.

[Curtman]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You're correct, prohibition doesn't work but that doesn't mean we stop doing what's right because we're tired of doing something that's not 100% effective.

We have lots of laws and effort go into things that are increasingly growing yet we don't just throw our hands in the air and give up.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You don't thing that spending a billion + on this thing wasn't a colossal waste of our money?

Hypocrisy.

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You're correct, prohibition doesn't work but that doesn't mean we stop doing what's right because we're tired of doing something that's not 100% effective.

We have lots of laws and effort go into things that are increasingly growing yet we don't just throw our hands in the air and give up.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You don't thing that spending a billion + on this thing wasn't a colossal waste of our money?

Hypocrisy.

Nice stretch....not even comparable.

[Gunnair]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Curtman Curtman:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You're correct, prohibition doesn't work but that doesn't mean we stop doing what's right because we're tired of doing something that's not 100% effective.

We have lots of laws and effort go into things that are increasingly growing yet we don't just throw our hands in the air and give up.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You don't thing that spending a billion + on this thing wasn't a colossal waste of our money?

Hypocrisy.

Nice stretch....not even comparable.

Why not? Both spend a lot of money on programs that either do little to help public safety. Ignoring the legality issue, both pot prohibition and LGR are infringements on personal liberty that cost tax payers a butt load of cash.

[OnTheIce]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Why not? Both spend a lot of money on programs that either do little to help public safety. Ignoring the legality issue, both pot prohibition and LGR are infringements on personal liberty that cost tax payers a butt load of cash.

You conclude that drug enforcement is equally as ineffective at preventing crime as the LGR is?

[Yogi]

'Scuse me while I interupt you all, & get this thread back on topic.

Just what I was saying earlier, and this is just in Nova Scotia!

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1550 ... ug-charges

[andyt]

He'd better pray he doesn't get a jail sentence. A prison guard who does something that can result in jail must have a death wish.