[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

So glee after all?

Yeah andy, I'm fucking ecstatic

[andyt]

Sounds like it. "There's no problem, I made it, so can they. And if not, fuck em, I got mine."

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

Sounds like it. "There's no problem, I made it, so can they. And if not, fuck em, I got mine."

Wow, it's no wonder I keep hearing Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" as I read your posts.
So, is this the andy that signed up to just be argumentative?

[andyt]

No. It's the Andy who's putting you on the spot about what you're saying, when your only response to a discussion about income inequality is people should save for what they want.

So what are your thoughts about growing income inequality, leaving aside the topic of saving for what you want? Are you concerned about it? If yes, any thoughts about what to do? If not, then we're back to glee, aren't we?

[Gunnair]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Bullshit. Without investors, they would have accomplished nothing. There is a reason why a company goes public and where do you think the money goes when joe public buys that stock?

They did not take all the risk, they squandered away the money of investors.

I can't believe you even posted that piece of drivel. You're like a right hand andy about this...

You can always tell a guy with zero business experience.

Investors put their money behind two guys with a great idea. They got financed as a private company well before they had their IPO. Try and know the story before you spout off.

Now you sound like a some corporate shill parroting the party line. Don't be so fucking obtuse. Of course two guys started with a bank loan and a great idea. The second they started selling shares to investors was the day the moved from risking their own capital to risking someone elses'

For a guy who claims to know something about business, you're being incredible think about this basic point.

Investors who buy stocks are capitalizing the company to do R&D, projects and other such tasks so the company makes a profit - thereby driving up the price of stock which then makes the investor a profit.

If you disagree with this, then explain your position instead of coming back playing the forum shithead... again.

[OnTheIce]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Now you sound like a some corporate shill parroting the party line. Don't be so fucking obtuse. Of course two guys started with a bank loan and a great idea. The second they started selling shares to investors was the day the moved from risking their own capital to risking someone elses'

For a guy who claims to know something about business, you're being incredible think about this basic point.

Investors who buy stocks are capitalizing the company to do R&D, projects and other such tasks so the company makes a profit - thereby driving up the price of stock which then makes the investor a profit.

If you disagree with this, then explain your position instead of coming back playing the forum shithead... again.

Surely you're grown up enough to by-pass the name-calling. This isn't elementary school.

Investors jumped onto RIM, made a shit load of money in the process (my father made a killing) and yea, the stock is not doing well at all....and that does not land solely on the feet of the two CEO's like you'd want it to. Stocks rise and fall...RIM took a shit-kicking in 2011 due to some wicked competition and some product missteps. That's business.

You act like these two guys have done nothing but rape and pillage investors. IPO of $7.25 and two years later, it was +$60/share. Apple's shares took an epic shit in 2009....shit happens.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

... any thoughts about what to do (about income disparities)?

The best solution to a non-problem is to do nothing.

[Gunnair]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Now you sound like a some corporate shill parroting the party line. Don't be so fucking obtuse. Of course two guys started with a bank loan and a great idea. The second they started selling shares to investors was the day the moved from risking their own capital to risking someone elses'

For a guy who claims to know something about business, you're being incredible think about this basic point.

Investors who buy stocks are capitalizing the company to do R&D, projects and other such tasks so the company makes a profit - thereby driving up the price of stock which then makes the investor a profit.

If you disagree with this, then explain your position instead of coming back playing the forum shithead... again.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Surely you're grown up enough to by-pass the name-calling. This isn't elementary school.

For a guy who regularly falls back onto invective, vitriol, and outright playground name calling when his weak points fail to find their mark, you are sounding like the biggest, whiniest, most hypocritical baby in NATO.

OnThe"Ice OnThe"Ice:

Investors jumped onto RIM, made a shit load of money in the process (my father made a killing) and yea, the stock is not doing well at all....and that does not land solely on the feet of the two CEO's like you'd want it to. Stocks rise and fall...RIM took a shit-kicking in 2011 due to some wicked competition and some product missteps. That's business.

RIM did take a shit kicking, and my point was that the two guys in charge, the corporate leadership that steered RIM into that shit kicking, are still there making their millions while the investors watch their money get pissed away as the price of the stock falls.

But it seems that's okay - shit happens. Right?

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You act like these two guys have done nothing but rape and pillage investors. IPO of $7.25 and two years later, it was +$60/share. Apple's shares took an epic shit in 2009....shit happens.

Go back and reread my posts after upping the dosage of your comprehension pills.
I said nothing of the sort so don't waste the effort into trying to say I said something that I did not simply because you're on the ropes, punch drunk, and throw limp wristed hay makers to the wind.

These guys led RIM to where it's at and should be held accountable for it. Them keeping their jobs and the millions they are making is not holding them accountable.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

No. It's the Andy who's putting you on the spot about what you're saying, when your only response to a discussion about income inequality is people should save for what they want.

So what are your thoughts about growing income inequality, leaving aside the topic of saving for what you want? Are you concerned about it? If yes, any thoughts about what to do? If not, then we're back to glee, aren't we?

Ah ok, now we're back to andy-logic. If I'm not concerned about it that means I'm gleeful about it.
Outside of the criminals that have utterly corrupted the economic system, I fail to see why you think punishing those that honestly earned their wealth is so important.

[r_p]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Give a corporation the power to give you what you want and you'll be giving that corporation that power to take it all away, with interest demanded.

unions are corporations dressed in blue collars.

[Thanos]

Unions look out for their own. It's the same motto the executive ranks use when they circle the wagons, loot the treasury, and then go into CYA mode. Unions are corrupt, and inefficient, and incredibly stupid a helluva lot of the time, but their sins are still tiny when compared to the ones committed by the good ol' boys at the top.

[EyeBrock]

Anybody investing in stock is taking a risk. I got out of RIM in early 2010 when they were looking very Nortel. I made a bit of cash but nothing amazing. I have since decided that tech companies are just not in a bracket of stocks that I really want to buy anymore.

I have a couple of riskier plays on the go now but 90% of my stuff is in stodgy blue-chips that have been around for years, are well thought of and have dividends in the 2-4% range.

Buyer/investor beware.

[OnTheIce]

Gunnair Gunnair:

For a guy who regularly falls back onto invective, vitriol, and outright playground name calling when his weak points fail to find their mark, you are sounding like the biggest, whiniest, most hypocritical baby in NATO.

These guys led RIM to where it's at and should be held accountable for it. Them keeping their jobs and the millions they are making is not holding them accountable.

Says the guy crying because the stock of RIM dropped. Keep dropping insults, makes you look classy.

You sound like the baby that doesn't understand stocks or business in general.

Did you miss they dropped their yearly salary to $1?

Did you miss they're going through a corporate shake-up?

How many CEO's drop their salary to $1 and have plans to bring in a new chairman.

Looks like they're doing everything right...you just don't like the direction of the company.

Shit happens. Grow up.

[Gunnair]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Gunnair Gunnair:

For a guy who regularly falls back onto invective, vitriol, and outright playground name calling when his weak points fail to find their mark, you are sounding like the biggest, whiniest, most hypocritical baby in NATO.

These guys led RIM to where it's at and should be held accountable for it. Them keeping their jobs and the millions they are making is not holding them accountable.

Says the guy crying because the stock of RIM dropped. Keep dropping insults, makes you look classy.

$1:

You sound like the baby that doesn't understand stocks or business in general

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Did you miss they dropped their yearly salary to $1?

Did you miss they're going through a corporate shake-up?

How many CEO's drop their salary to $1 and have plans to bring in a new chairman.

Looks like they're doing everything right...you just don't like the direction of the company.

Shit happens. Grow up.

Yep, did miss they dropped their salaries though I'm sure they kept their stock options. As for the company doing everything right - judging by how well they're doing, I'd say they have yet to do everything right. We can revisit this one year from now and see which was the case.

$1:

Says the guy crying because the stock of RIM dropped. Keep dropping insults, makes you look classy.

$1:

You sound like the baby that doesn't understand stocks or business in general

Fuck off already, hypocrite.

[RUEZ]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Looks like they're doing everything right...you just don't like the direction of the company.

That's not what I've been reading. They are falling behind every other competing company.