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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:49 pm
 


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i wonder how many n. koreans would be happy to switch teams, if they knew they could make it through DMZ in one piece?

regardless of what happens next, i hope that little bastard jong-il kicks the bucket soon.


Do you think his Mini-Me will be much better?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:52 pm
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
It's an opinion piece, Zip, hardly foriegn policy.


It's an opinion piece on foreign policy. The writer seems more intent on articulating the contempt in which he holds Kim-Jong Il and the need for immediate action of some kind.

I'd have preferred if he'd spent a little less time vilifying Kim Jong Il (a complete waste of time, because he and his regime are pretty much universally loathed outside of North Korea) and a little more time on how, in real terms, he would approach the problem, beyond "teaching him a lesson."

It's an intractable problem. To date, the general strategy has been to trust China to keep their own yard clean. However, escalating evetns have demonstrated that China can't or won't. South Korea is a valuable US ally, and a free, prosperous country. So what to do?

There are some cards in our favour. First off, the regime is universally reviled. Second of all, the regime maintains power through incredible barbarity against its own people, and regimes like that do tend to topple quickly when they start to go (right Saddam?). We also need to understand China's interests. They have no love for the North Korean regime, however, it offers them a buffer zone on that border and also they don't want the ensuing refugee crisis and nucelar arsenal security issues which collapse of the regime would bring.

Personally, I think it's time South Korea stepped up to the plate a little more.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:30 pm
 


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Personally, I think it's time South Korea stepped up to the plate a little more.


In the sense of military action. Looks like they're talking about it, at least. But who can blame them if they're a wee bit timid about that - at least without solid US backing.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:34 pm
 


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Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Personally, I think it's time South Korea stepped up to the plate a little more.


In the sense of military action. Looks like they're talking about it, at least. But who can blame them if they're a wee bit timid about that - at least without solid US backing.


Funny we havent seen too many " get the US out of Korea " protests lately. :)


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:42 pm
 


martin14 martin14:
Funny we havent seen too many " get the US out of Korea " protests lately. :)


Seems a couple of the key leftwing agitators in SK were recently arrested after they were found to be from North Korea. Hate to say, but that's rather a common thing over there that the anti-West, pro-DPRK leaders are infiltrators.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:24 pm
 


Curtman Curtman:
billypilgrim billypilgrim:
i wonder how many n. koreans would be happy to switch teams, if they knew they could make it through DMZ in one piece?

regardless of what happens next, i hope that little bastard jong-il kicks the bucket soon.


Do you think his Mini-Me will be much better?



no. i hope they bury him with his father. his older son is apparently a moderate, banished to china for his bad habits of freethinking and refusal to bow down to the ghost of his grandfather.

..but your point is well received: jong-il v3.0 has been brainwashed from day one, to be just like his dad.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:57 pm
 


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In the sense of military action. Looks like they're talking about it, at least. But who can blame them if they're a wee bit timid about that - at least without solid US backing.


The problem is the US has always been there, at the border, standing with them, and they've been slow to take the reins themselves. A little bit of tough love from the US is called for in my opinion--trime for South Korea to take alittle more responsibility for their defence. If the North has nukes, maybe the south should have them too. Perhaps even the prospect of a nuclear armed South Korea may prod China into spanking Pyongyang into shape.

US options are limited--theya re already in two wars and would be loathe to start to go at it so close to China without thinking pretty seriously about it. Any US military action, in my opinion, should be limited. US efforts to democartize North Korea would be a mistake, INHO.


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