[EyeBrock]

Politics is a popularity contest curt. Iggy needs to be 'liked' to win it.

[bootlegga]

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:

Hm. Did Canada really have any "street cred" when the Liberal were last in power, or is that a wistful look through the rose-colored shades?

We haven't had 'street cred' since the mid-60s - neither party has covered themselves in glory in that department.

[bootlegga]

Proculation Proculation:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Again, nothing on why Iggy is wrong? Instead of constant partisan whining, let's see you bring something objective to the table.

Seriously, you can be a liberal partisan (I've voted liberal 2 times on 4 so i'm not a partisan conservative). But, Iggy is against a minority government and we do not see him ! When he talks, it's like we are hearing a robot. He is too cartesian and he is not able to connect with the people.

You have to say that he is not a Chretien or a Trudeau. I'm sure he is a good professor but as a politician he is terrible.

Have you heard him speak in person?

I have heard both Iggy and Harper at events here in Edmonton, and I'll give Iggy the win in that regard. Harper comes across much better on TV though, and that's a big factor in why Iggy appears to be second fiddle in the polls

[QBall]

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:

Hm. Did Canada really have any "street cred" when the Liberal were last in power, or is that a wistful look through the rose-colored shades?

Sure we did. Don't you remember when Martin took the time to do that photo op with Bono? I'm sure world leaders everywhere was giving our PM mad props for dat.

[OnTheIce]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Really? That doesn't answer squat - Canadians care about foreign policy and members of the international community should care.

Remember that sentiment next time you see a Veteran and on Remembrance Day, because that when foreign policy matters.

Ignorance is not a virtue.

Canadians care, to an extent.

You do a National poll right now, Foreign Policy wouldn't even register as a top concern for Canadians. I'd say it wouldn't even be in the top 10.

[Proculation]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Proculation Proculation:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Again, nothing on why Iggy is wrong? Instead of constant partisan whining, let's see you bring something objective to the table.

Seriously, you can be a liberal partisan (I've voted liberal 2 times on 4 so i'm not a partisan conservative). But, Iggy is against a minority government and we do not see him ! When he talks, it's like we are hearing a robot. He is too cartesian and he is not able to connect with the people.

You have to say that he is not a Chretien or a Trudeau. I'm sure he is a good professor but as a politician he is terrible.

Have you heard him speak in person?

I have heard both Iggy and Harper at events here in Edmonton, and I'll give Iggy the win in that regard. Harper comes across much better on TV though, and that's a big factor in why Iggy appears to be second fiddle in the polls

That's exactly my point. You can be very good personally with people but passing a political message to a whole nation of 33 millions people... it's another thing.

[Curtman]

Tman1 Tman1:

It was the Liberals who got us into Afghanistan in the first place by yours truly Jean Chretien. Not a great start there for one thing on Canada's foreign policy.

No it wasn't. It was a NATO decision. I don't remember ANYBODY suggesting that we shouldn't go to Afghanistan. We had a choice for Iraq, and the Liberals made the right one.

$1:

Point number 1. Nobody cares about Canada's image except the hurt individuals in this country that seems to have their pride wounded by Canada not getting an insignificant 'seat' at an insignificant office, the security council.

Point number 3. Nobody in the world cares about Canada's image. It's not like they are going to be hating Canadians left and right because we didn't get on the 'security council' praise be to Jesus. Canada needs to get a thicker skin, stop analyzing what people think about us, move on and concentrate the problems in THIS country. Start there.

Point one and three are same. Thats the "sour grapes" defense.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Politics is a popularity contest curt. Iggy needs to be 'liked' to win it.

I know its difficult, but try to stay focused. To be an expert in foreign policy, one should have a broad world view. To have a valid commentary on our failed foreign policy doesn't require anybody to like you.

[EyeBrock]

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Politics is a popularity contest curt. Iggy needs to be 'liked' to win it.

I know its difficult, but try to stay focused. To be an expert in foreign policy, one should have a broad world view. To have a valid commentary on our failed foreign policy doesn't require anybody to like you.

To get to PM, you and your team has to be liked more than the other team. When you get to PM, you can make those foreign policy decisions instead of heckling on the sidelines and undermining your country on the international stage to score domestic partisan political points.

Winston Churchill put it rather well;

"When I am abroad, I always make it a rule never to criticize or attack the government of my own country. I make up for lost time when I come home."

PS how many countries have you been to curt? I've been to 65 and lived for 8 years in countries other than Canada or the UK. I have a good grasp on foreign policy.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Politics is a popularity contest curt. Iggy needs to be 'liked' to win it.

I know its difficult, but try to stay focused. To be an expert in foreign policy, one should have a broad world view. To have a valid commentary on our failed foreign policy doesn't require anybody to like you.

That's pretty funny for a guy that condemns our foreign policy but is an intellectual supporter of the war in Iraq. Yeah, he's a real foreign policy Swami

[bootlegga]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Politics is a popularity contest curt. Iggy needs to be 'liked' to win it.

I know its difficult, but try to stay focused. To be an expert in foreign policy, one should have a broad world view. To have a valid commentary on our failed foreign policy doesn't require anybody to like you.

That's pretty funny for a guy that condemns our foreign policy but is an intellectual supporter of the war in Iraq. Yeah, he's a real foreign policy Swami

That's true, but he was merely a lowly professor when he wrote that defence of the Iraq invasion, and my guess is he was duped by the same faulty intelligence Dubya & Co spread before the attack to try and get justification for it. Unless he had access to the real intel that Dubya had, the worst one can say is that he fell for the propaganda that MSM shovel fed us in 2002/03.

BTW, Harper, as head of the Opposition also supported the Iraq invasion and even supported sending Canadian troops to fight with the coalition in 2003 (Chretien sent the troops to Kandahar instead), so neither one can really claim a moral high ground on that issue.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

bootlegga bootlegga:

That's true, but he was merely a lowly professor when he wrote that defence of the Iraq invasion, and my guess is he was duped by the same faulty intelligence Dubya & Co spread before the attack to try and get justification for it. Unless he had access to the real intel that Dubya had, the worst one can say is that he fell for the propaganda that MSM shovel fed us in 2002/03.

Well he must have ate a SHIT load of it because he wrote a few 7,000+ word articles for NY Times Magazine justifying the US invasion of Iraq.

bootlegga bootlegga:

BTW, Harper, as head of the Opposition also supported the Iraq invasion and even supported sending Canadian troops to fight with the coalition in 2003 (Chretien sent the troops to Kandahar instead), so neither one can really claim a moral high ground on that issue.

That's ok, I wasn't exactly defending Harper either
Quite frankly, I'd put more trust in a toilet paper tube raft than I do Iggy or Harper.

[Mustang1]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Really? That doesn't answer squat - Canadians care about foreign policy and members of the international community should care.

Remember that sentiment next time you see a Veteran and on Remembrance Day, because that when foreign policy matters.

Ignorance is not a virtue.

Canadians care, to an extent.

You do a National poll right now, Foreign Policy wouldn't even register as a top concern for Canadians. I'd say it wouldn't even be in the top 10.

Canadians do care, and certain Canadians care more. I'm sorry, but i don't necessary run to populist sentiment for policy initiatives.

[Proculation]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Really? That doesn't answer squat - Canadians care about foreign policy and members of the international community should care.

Remember that sentiment next time you see a Veteran and on Remembrance Day, because that when foreign policy matters.

Ignorance is not a virtue.

Canadians care, to an extent.

You do a National poll right now, Foreign Policy wouldn't even register as a top concern for Canadians. I'd say it wouldn't even be in the top 10.

Canadians do care, and certain Canadians care more. I'm sorry, but i don't necessary run to populist sentiment for policy initiatives.

Explain. I agree with you but I want to know why you are against populist sentiments.

[Public_Domain]