[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Any bad thing done by any muslim anywhere is a direct result of islam and you believe that if they would convert to christianity none of it would happen.

You're mistaking me for your girlfriend, Ann Coulter. While I may have glibly asked that the Muslims convert just to tweak you, all I really want from them is that they renounce the parts of the koran that they use to justify oppressing others. Christianity had its reformation starting 500 years ago and now it's the turn of Islam to embrace reform. Let them reform and I'll be happy to go swing a hammer and help build a mosque.

DerbyX DerbyX:

Meanwhile christians butch each other in country after country but you choose to lay the blame on everything but christianity.

Which makes my point that you excuse islamic oppression by pointing at Christianity. You really sound like a little kid with this kind of argument...

"Derby, did you get into the cookie jar again?"

"Yeah, mom, but Bart broke your lamp!"

Time for a new way to make your point, my friend, because this strategy of yours is too easy to trump.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Indeed. The Japanese were upset that we had an oil embargo on them due to our intolerance of their occupation of China and numerous attacks on US citizens and US flagged naval assets in the 1930's.

It goes back much farther than that Bart. The Japanese in the late 1800's early 1900's were dealing with what they called the ABCD problem (America, Britain, Chine and the Dutch.) Japan saw these nations expanding their empires and decided to play along. The ABCDs with the Americans being the major protagonist, told them to knock it off. Japan then decided that the only way to play the game was to play by the same rules the ABCDs played by. Once again, the US told them to knock it off. The Japanse leadership could not honestly understand why America, Britian, China and the Dutch were allowed to expand their empires or spheres of influence while denying the Japanese the same right to secure their own resources.
The oil embargo was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
As for your "intolerance" of them occupying China, maybe you should look into your own history of intolerance. When the US chased Spain out of the Phillipines because of the brutal way the Spanish treated the locals, America's idea of liberation was much the same as their "liberation" of the West from the Indians. Murder for the sake of murder. But they don't teach you THAT in your schools now do they? The real sad part is, the Phillipinos were HAPPY to have the Americans chase the Spanish out and welcomed the US, only to be shot on sight. All this while the US condemned the Japanese for their actions in the early 1900's.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You're mistaking me for your girlfriend, Ann Coulter. While I may have glibly asked that the Muslims convert just to tweak you, all I really want from them is that they renounce the parts of the koran that they use to justify oppressing others. Christianity had its reformation starting 500 years ago and now it's the turn of Islam to embrace reform. Let them reform and I'll be happy to go swing a hammer and help build a mosque.

NO, you have personally said that any muslim who does this is therefore not a true muslims. You have also its always them rather they you leading the violence. It wasn't islamic hatred that fueled the Iraq war but it cetainly was a level and christian jihadiism.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Which makes my point that you excuse islamic oppression by pointing at Christianity. You really sound like a little kid with this kind of argument...

"Derby, did you get into the cookie jar again?"

"Yeah, mom, but Bart broke your lamp!"

Time for a new way to make your point, my friend, because this strategy of yours is too easy to trump.

Does nothing of the sort. I counter your idiotic and continual posts "that chrsitians aren't committing the acts of atrocities the muslims are" and I prove it with many many examples. I don't blame all christians and if you actually read the articles you'll note I've taken time to lay blame on the underlying cause.

I just use those examples to disprove your belief that all christians don't do those things.

The recipricol is that I don't blame all muslims for the actions of others.

No matter what happens, if it involves a muslim then its because of their religion and if it involves a christian its in spite of.

With me, I simply say both sides have their members committing henious crimes and neither faith practices anything remotely peaceful as I can see.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

all I really want from them is that they renounce the parts of the koran that they use to justify oppressing others. Christianity had its reformation starting 500 years ago and now it's the turn of Islam to embrace reform. Let them reform and I'll be happy to go swing a hammer and help build a mosque.

The thing is that many Muslims do renounce those parts, or, like some Christians do, give them a different interpretation than than face value. Including the concept of jihad. While I agree that Islam need reforming, it's more difficult for them since there's not one true church and not one leader the way it was with Christianity in the west. (Not sure Orthodoxy ever had a reformation, nor that they particularly needed to). Islam is much more amorphous, so a reformation would be much less dramatic as well. In fact I think we are seeing a reformation attempt of sorts - mostly Muslim kill other Muslims, a battle between modernism and fundamentalism.

I think your Christian ideology is playing out behind all this Bart. I think a large part of your animus toward Muslims is just because they're not Christians.

While I agree that the west has to be tougher with Muslim extremism, unless we also build bridges with peaceful Muslims (even if they won't let us pray in their mosques) we're in for a long, bitter war that I'm not so sure we can win.

[sandorski]

Good News everyone! Sarah Palin is coming to town!! You just need $500 and an Invitation to see her!!!

[PublicAnimalNo9]

sandorski sandorski:

Good News everyone! Sarah Palin is coming to town!! You just need $500 and an Invitation to see her!!!

[sandorski]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

sandorski sandorski:

Good News everyone! Sarah Palin is coming to town!! You just need $500 and an Invitation to see her!!!

I just find it hilarious that it's $500 and By Invitation Only. It's like she's an Elitist or something.

[CanadianJeff]

Honestly I hope that Canadians are smart enough that this is a small isolated movement.

[djakeydd]

I hope Canadians are smart enough to see that the teabagging is nothing but a flop, a coopted and now worthless diversionary tactic to keep the sheoples minds off anything relevant. The fact is, 2020 is seeming very close and if there is not a paradigm shift in thinking, we along with everyone else will be without property rights and our national constitutions will not be worth the paper they are written on. This is happening all around us and a scant few can see the forest for the trees. The really disgusting part of all this is that the ball got into high gear about 1992 through the machinations of one Moe Strong, a Canadian no less, a true control freak and satanist for all seasons. We should hang our heads in shame.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/c ... on_job.htm

[sandorski]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Honestly I hope that Canadians are smart enough that this is a small isolated movement.

Ya, like the NRA. Or various Anti-Abortion groups.

Sorry, but we already adopted the Good American stuff(like certain concepts of Liberty and Civics). We really don't need your crap as well.

[Dragom]

Think they'll take our soft wood if we take their tea party?

[djakeydd]

[ShepherdsDog]

sandorski sandorski:

Good News everyone! Sarah Palin is coming to town!! You just need $500 and an Invitation to see her!!!

that $ 500 better include a lap dance.

[sandorski]

Dragom Dragom:

Think they'll take our soft wood if we take their tea party?

Maybe for a Year or two. Then it will be all back to normal again.

[rickc]

Does Canada need a tea party? NO!Politics in Canada is to fragmented now.When I lived in Canada there were three major parties:Liberal.N.D.P and the P.C.That was before the Bloc and the Greens.The last thing Canada needs is a new party.It is hard enough to get a majority of the votes now.You guys need a new party like I need another hole in my head.Someone talking about the tea party in Canada is just trying to draw atention to themselves by riding the coattails of a popular media event.He will get his 15 minutes of fame and then fade away.

That said I will say that there are many misconceptions about the American Tea Party on this site.People want to enterview a few people out of hundreds of thousands of people at a rally.They selectively edit the enterviews,and then they want to make the tea party look like uneducated hicks.The liberals held a rally the same day as the tea party,at the same location.Thier numbers were not worth reporting.No news organization is talking about the liberal gathering on 8/28 are they?The tea parties candidates have been winning thier primaries.If the right can win in liberal Mass.they can win anywhere.I have not lived in Canada for a long time now.I KNOW the CBC is not giving an unbiased view of the Tea Party.I never seen an unbiased view of the P.C. by the CBC when I lived in Canada.I do not know what other news sources you recieve these days.Judging from this site.FOX news is not big in Canada.To each his own.

Sandorski posted that the tea party is being led by emotion.He is correct.What is more powerful than emotion? Logic is overrated.In the perfect world logic would triumph.Try using it on your teenagers,see how far you get.A man could walk in on his wife cheating on him.He COULD be logical and calmly discuss the problems in his relationship.That COULD happen.I think that 99% of the time emotion is going to win the battle.Someone is going to get a smackdown.Try putting yourself in those shoes.Take a walk in them.Then you will have a better understanding of the American Tea Party.Americans have worked hard to get where they are.We spent billions of dollars and many lives fighting the cold war.Do you really think that we beat the Soviet Union only to lose to the enemy within? Do you really think that Americans who spent almost 50 years fighting the left all over the world are just going to surrender to it in thier own country? If you answered yes,than you don't really know Americans.You might know some Americans.You might vacation in the States.You might watch American movies and t.v.You do not KNOW Americans if you think that we are going to roll over for the left.Americans were ready to see the world end rather than back down to the Soviets during the Cuban missile crisis.We took a lot of heat.{deservinly so}.That type of courage to conviction is what is driving the American Tea Party today.These people are not going to just go away.Laugh at them all you will.They do not care.They have the courage of thier convictions,and yes they are emotional.Thanos pointed out that they are well fed.They may very well be.I would like to point out that they are also very well armed.They are going to be a major force in American politics for years to come.How long will they be a force in Canadian politics? Fifteen minutes should suffice.