[Bacardi4206]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I thought you weren't going to respond to "anti-Israel protesters" like me any longer...

So what if Israel found some knives and slingshots? Last time I checked, possession of neither was a capital crime (except maybe in some dictatorships and Muslim countries perhaps). Like I said earlier, if Israel is scared of lead pipes and slingshots, it's time to get the fuck out of dodge, because the end is near.

Yeah well, you got me there.

As for the second part, this is what I love about you bootlegga. Whatever we say goes in one year and goes out the other. I love how you don't address the facts there were pre-made firebombs, or that some of the commandos had bullet wounds. You just keep to the selective weapon group of slingshots and knives. Whatever fits your arguement better I guess but what was reported to have to the addition of your selective group of weapons you ONLY choose to mention. Was firebombs, guns (either brought on board themselves or taken from captive commandos). There were a variety of more dangerious weapons than just bars, knives and slingshots.

However what you fail to realise or what you are failing to understand which is what everybody here has been trying to get you to do is. While a metal bar in general vs a soldier doesn't seem like much of a threat. You are not including the facts these soldiers were heavily outnumbered 20 to 1. Try defending yourself with 20 guys all hitting you with a metal bar and yes even slinging rocks at you in the process. Btw, the slingshots were used to hit the soldiers AS they were grappling down. I guess to make them fall? Which the fall itself is there weapon, as it was there intent. Than we get to the firebombs in which there is a video of one being thrown on the ship at a soldier. Than there is knives, there is a video of a commando trying to get away from all the dudes beating him and some "activst" comes behind him and stabs him in the back. The soldier wasn't pointing a gun, he had no weapons in his hand. He was just being cornered and was trying not to get hit. Than there is the unexplained bullet holes that some lucky commando got. In which in the reports according to the commandos. They were taking gun fire, from both weapons smuggled by them to begin with and weapons taken from captured commandos. Even some activists version side with this as there were reports of guns being thrown overboard as soon as the commandos took control of the situation.

Yet you choose to IGNORE ALL OF THIS, you only choose to state they were harmless bystandards with only slingshots and knives? Against commandos with paintball guns who were just there to calmy investigate the ship and would have used riot tactics if they got violent. They diddn't expect them to be prepared with all listed above, neither did they expect there would be so many. I guess Israel just assumed these aid groups only let on sane people who actually just wanted to help by delivering aid to gaza. Not start a conflict by assaulting there soldiers and claiming to be victims despite video evidence otherwise.

[ShepherdsDog]

Just saw a report on CNN. According to it, Israel has offered to deliver all of the aid inspected and cleared, yet Hamas is refusing to accept delivery as a 'protest'.

Well, they should just deliver it because it's common knowledge that Hamas sells a lot of the aid it is given to distribute to the Palestinian people, or seizes it outright.

[Bacardi4206]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Just saw a report on CNN. According to it, Israel has offered to deliver all of the aid inspected and cleared, yet Hamas is refusing to accept delivery as a 'protest'.

Sad part is, in the streets of the western world. Israel is going to be made out the monsters and the citizens will be on the streets protesting Israel, not Hamas.

[Gunnair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Proculation Proculation:

antisemitic.. Why is that so difficult to say it ? It's SO evident.

Pretty ironic coming from a racist.

You still maintain a hate for Germans after WWII, any possibility you can stretch that to an understanding why anyone who's lost friends and families in the last few months to years to the IDF may not like Israel?

Thought not...

You're calling Proculation a racist? Based on what?

Guy doesn't like racially mixed marriages - alright to fuck them, not so alright to marry them.

Happy some Germans were killed the other day by an WWII bomb because his relatives fought the Germans in WWII. Them dying now is still okay because... well.... they're Germans and they deserve it because of WWII.

Good enough reasons you think?

[commanderkai]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy doesn't like racially mixed marriages - alright to fuck them, not so alright to marry them.

Happy some Germans were killed the other day by an WWII bomb because his relatives fought the Germans in WWII. Them dying now is still okay because... well.... they're Germans and they deserve it because of WWII.

Good enough reasons you think?

First one is pretty racist. Though I never really saw him say it soo *Shrugs*. Second one isn't exactly racism. Stupid, yes, racism? Not so much.

[RUEZ]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy doesn't like racially mixed marriages - alright to fuck them, not so alright to marry them.

Oh yes, I do recall seeing him post this. Odd.

[Gunnair]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy doesn't like racially mixed marriages - alright to fuck them, not so alright to marry them.

Happy some Germans were killed the other day by an WWII bomb because his relatives fought the Germans in WWII. Them dying now is still okay because... well.... they're Germans and they deserve it because of WWII.

Good enough reasons you think?

First one is pretty racist. Though I never really saw him say it soo *Shrugs*. Second one isn't exactly racism. Stupid, yes, racism? Not so much.

I dunno... throws out a " " when people of a certain race get killed? And not like they were bad people, these were very brave guys trying to defuse a bomb before innocents were killed.

If that ain't racist, then I don't want to know what is.

[Wada]

I hear what your saying! I was so stunned by that comment I really was lost for words. That does not happen too often.

[commanderkai]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I dunno... throws out a " " when people of a certain race get killed? And not like they were bad people, these were very brave guys trying to defuse a bomb before innocents were killed.

If that ain't racist, then I don't want to know what is.

I'll make two assumptions. A) Proc is white, and B) Those Germans who were killed were white. Like I said, it was a stupid thing to say...but making a stupid comment about the WWII bomb disarming accident wasn't racist.

Like I said, I'm not going to defend his comment in that thread. However said comment and disliking Germans isn't inherently racist. Dumb, stupid, whatever, but not racist.

[Wada]

Certainly poor taste.

[ShepherdsDog]

What kai said....and to get picky, France and Germany used to be two parts of the Frankish kingdom. There's as much difference between them as there is between a Swede, Dane or a Norwegian.

[Gunnair]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I dunno... throws out a " " when people of a certain race get killed? And not like they were bad people, these were very brave guys trying to defuse a bomb before innocents were killed.

If that ain't racist, then I don't want to know what is.

I'll make two assumptions. A) Proc is white, and B) Those Germans who were killed were white. Like I said, it was a stupid thing to say...but making a stupid comment about the WWII bomb disarming accident wasn't racist.

Like I said, I'm not going to defend his comment in that thread. However said comment and disliking Germans isn't inherently racist. Dumb, stupid, whatever, but not racist.

Uh... is racist. Much point in continuing to go around this buoy?

[commanderkai]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Uh... is racist. Much point in continuing to go around this buoy?

See, what you just did is make the word racist mean absolutely nothing. Hating Germans for being Germans is stupid, yes. But he doesn't hate Germans because they're white, or black, or whoever, he hates Germany because of past actions. I've met a good number of Russians who hated Germans for for World War II as well. Were they bigoted, stupid, blah blah blah. Sure. Are they racist? Not so much.

So yes. A KKK member is a racist because he hates somebody based on their race. Proc, or a Russian, hating a German because they're German isn't racist.

[Gunnair]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Uh... is racist. Much point in continuing to go around this buoy?

COmmanderkai wrote:

$1:

See, what you just did is make the word racist mean absolutely nothing.

Your opinion, and you're welcome to it. I have a different one.

$1:

Hating Germans for being Germans is stupid, yes. But he doesn't hate Germans because they're white, or black, or whoever, he hates Germany because of past actions.

Interesting. Hating a race because of past action seems to still include hating. Different when you hate a race because of a colour. Odd that...

$1:

I've met a good number of Russians who hated Germans for for World War II as well. Were they bigoted, stupid, blah blah blah. Sure. Are they racist? Not so much.

Hmmm... hate a race for the past actions of a few... yeah, clearly not racist.

$1:

So yes. A KKK member is a racist because he hates somebody based on their race. Proc, or a Russian, hating a German because they're German isn't racist.

Look up race, then get back to me. Clearly you need to read up a bit.

By the way...

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

— big·ot·ed \-gə-təd\ adjective

— big·ot·ed·ly adverb

[ShepherdsDog]

Proc's statements about inter racial marriage are racist, but the same can't be said about his anti German stance, which is general prejudice. Your ideas of 'race' seem a bit dated.