[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

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DerbyX DerbyX:

Far from being the people trying to force islam on the world they more then others actually make an effort to make laws (in their countries) that accommodate different beliefs.

That cannot be said about christianity.

That must explain the many churches and synagoges I seen in Saudi Arabia and a few other Islamic countries and how I never see anything other than Christian churches in those evil Christian nations.

Derby, without a doubt that is the most uninformed post you have ever contributed to this site.

I work with an Iraqi christian. He went to church just fine. The point I'm trying to make is that in places like Indonesia or Malaysia they don't enforce islamic religious law on people that aren't muslim. That is why drinking alcohol is legal for non-muslims.

And where exactly do we impose "Christian religous Law" on Muslims. The fact is that Islamic countries are far less accomodating than western "Christian" nations. Some of these wonderful Islamic countries will punish you for simply carrying a Bible.

Not very accomodating are they.

[DerbyX]

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And where exactly do we impose "Christian religous Law" on Muslims. The fact is that Islamic countries are far less accomodating than western "Christian" nations. Some of these wonderful Islamic countries will punish you for simply carrying a Bible.

Not very accomodating are they.

Considering we have people on this very site who think that our laws are christian in scope and that their nation is in fact a christian one you could start right there. Laws against homosexuality are certianly religious laws being forced on people and lets face it. If it weren't for dogged determination by secular minded people we really would have a christian theocracy. I remember the lords prayer being said every morning over the PS system as likely you remember. That was christianity imposed on others.

There are more then a few groups like these people who have no problem whatsoever enforcing their religious views on society as a whole.

Despite their failings I do see multi-faith states where islamic law is used make what I consider great effort to make sure that non-muslims aren't subjected to islamic religious law but rather secular law.

Oh, also in places like Saudia Arabia they do have areas designed specifically for foreigners or non-muslims to be accomodated. Its not perfect but a funny thing is happening. While we consider them sub-modern throwbacks to bygone eras they see their country as becoming more and more liberal.

$1:

Yet by the Saudis’ premodern standards, the 85-year-old King Abdullah, with a harem of wives, is a social revolutionary. The kingdom just announced a new law that will allow female lawyers to appear in court for the first time, if only for female clients on family cases. Last month, the king appointed the first woman to the council of ministers. Last year, he opened the first co-ed university. He has encouraged housing developments with architecture that allows families, and boys and girls within families, to communicate more freely.

The attempts at more tolerance are belated baby steps to the outside world but in this veiled, curtained and obscured fortress, they are ’60s-style cataclysmic social changes. Last week, Sheik Abdul Rahman al-Barrak, a pugnacious cleric, shocked Saudis by issuing a fatwa against those who facilitate the mixing of men and women. Given that such a fatwa clearly would include the king, Prince Saud dismissed it.

Its their society and they need to grow at their own pace.

[Bodah]

Where are the cries of outrage about removing religon from public learning institutions ? This is what she's calling it, part of her religon which is complete and utter bullshit. Its what she's been told to say.

Lord's prayer in the morning, my god the horror make it stop. You can't just pick on one religon its either all of them or none.

Public display of female subserveance asking males to move to the back of the class, no problem. And she wants to be a pharmacist ?

[DerbyX]

Bodah Bodah:

Where are the cries of outrage about removing religon from public learning institutions ? This is what she's calling it, part of her religon which is complete and utter bullshit. Its what she's been told to say.

Lord's prayer in the morning, my god the horror make it stop. You can't just pick on one religon its either all of them or none.

Public display of female subserveance asking males to move to the back of the class, no problem. And she wants to be a pharmacist ?

If you recall removing the morning prayer was and still is contested. It certainly wasn't done without outcry. Now the big difference between doing that and making her remove her religious dress is that the morning prayer was forced on everybody and it was from a single religion that not everybody shared. She only wants to dress how her religion dictates.

If it becomes all or none then we open a can of worms when they want religious holidays in school abolished. Reasonable accommodations can be made. I've been out of school for a while now and my high school was rather small and full of base brats but I do recall schools trying to accommodate those who wanted to pray before classes by providing them a specific room. Others used a minute of silence for students "personal reflection".

Most of the opposition to the religious wear of muslims is mostly about making a political point.

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

And where exactly do we impose "Christian religous Law" on Muslims. The fact is that Islamic countries are far less accomodating than western "Christian" nations. Some of these wonderful Islamic countries will punish you for simply carrying a Bible.

Not very accomodating are they.

Considering we have people on this very site who think that our laws are christian in scope and that their nation is in fact a christian one you could start right there. Laws against homosexuality are certianly religious laws being forced on people and lets face it. If it weren't for dogged determination by secular minded people we really would have a christian theocracy. I remember the lords prayer being said every morning over the PS system as likely you remember. That was christianity imposed on others.

There are more then a few groups like these people who have no problem whatsoever enforcing their religious views on society as a whole.

Despite their failings I do see multi-faith states where islamic law is used make what I consider great effort to make sure that non-muslims aren't subjected to islamic religious law but rather secular law.

Oh, also in places like Saudia Arabia they do have areas designed specifically for foreigners or non-muslims to be accomodated. Its not perfect but a funny thing is happening. While we consider them sub-modern throwbacks to bygone eras they see their country as becoming more and more liberal.

$1:

Yet by the Saudis’ premodern standards, the 85-year-old King Abdullah, with a harem of wives, is a social revolutionary. The kingdom just announced a new law that will allow female lawyers to appear in court for the first time, if only for female clients on family cases. Last month, the king appointed the first woman to the council of ministers. Last year, he opened the first co-ed university. He has encouraged housing developments with architecture that allows families, and boys and girls within families, to communicate more freely.

The attempts at more tolerance are belated baby steps to the outside world but in this veiled, curtained and obscured fortress, they are ’60s-style cataclysmic social changes. Last week, Sheik Abdul Rahman al-Barrak, a pugnacious cleric, shocked Saudis by issuing a fatwa against those who facilitate the mixing of men and women. Given that such a fatwa clearly would include the king, Prince Saud dismissed it.

Its their society and they need to grow at their own pace.

Trying to convince you that Islamic countries are far less accomodating than western "Christian" countries is akin to beating ones head on a wall. Your blind hatred of Christianity has caused you to ignore the truth about Islam. I and others who have posted here have been to Islamic countries and stated what is happening over there whereas you have an Iranian friend.

[DerbyX]

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Trying to convince you that Islamic countries are far less accomodating than western "Christian" countries is akin to beating ones head on a wall. Your blind hatred of Christianity has caused you to ignore the truth about Islam. I and others who have posted here have been to Islamic countries and stated what is happening over there whereas you have an Iranian friend.

Nope. Western secular countries are more accommodating but christianity wants its laws and beliefs to be installed on everybody. Its why they want their prayer in all schools, their bible quotes in courtrooms, their bible in courtrooms, their creationism in classrooms, and their religion taught to all school children.

Pointing out that islamic countries are at least trying to find ways to serve different faiths while maintaining their own in the fashion they like is also like beating my head against a wall against people who mindlessly hate them. At least I don't have to worry about them invading our countries.

BTW, I see no reason to mask my distaste for christianity on this forum when Liberals, liberalism, leftism, and Atheism are attacked in such a way. I might say the same thing in reverse.

BBTW, The "truth" as you see it is no different then the "truth" I see about christianity and conservatism. My opinion about a simply awful and disgusting set of beliefs no different then what you see about islam.

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Trying to convince you that Islamic countries are far less accomodating than western "Christian" countries is akin to beating ones head on a wall. Your blind hatred of Christianity has caused you to ignore the truth about Islam. I and others who have posted here have been to Islamic countries and stated what is happening over there whereas you have an Iranian friend.

Nope. Western secular countries are more accommodating but christianity wants its laws and beliefs to be installed on everybody. Its why they want their prayer in all schools, their bible quotes in courtrooms, their bible in courtrooms, their creationism in classrooms, and their religion taught to all school children.

Pointing out that islamic countries are at least trying to find ways to serve different faiths while maintaining their own in the fashion they like is also like beating my head against a wall against people who mindlessly hate them. At least I don't have to worry about them invading our countries.

BTW, I see no reason to mask my distaste for christianity on this forum when Liberals, liberalism, leftism, and Atheism are attacked in such a way. I might say the same thing in reverse.

BBTW, The "truth" as you see it is no different then the "truth" I see about christianity and conservatism. My opinion about a simply awful and disgusting set of beliefs no different then what you see about islam.

Western secular society based on Christian beliefs. And you still haven't even come close to showing how we are less accomodating than Islam.

The funniest part about all this is that in an Islamic ruled country you would be one of the first ones "dealt with" as an atheist, and yet you still defend them!

[DerbyX]

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Western secular society based on Christian beliefs. And you still haven't even come close to showing how we are less accomodating than Islam.

The funniest part about all this is that in an Islamic ruled country you would be one of the first ones "dealt with" as an atheist, and yet you still defend them!

You guys keep telling us that those nasty muslims are coming for us. Its like trying to talk to 9/11 truthers. I have no fear that muslims are coming to convert me nor kill me.

[GreenTiger]

It is simply that if you come to Quebec don't expect that Quebec are going to follow Sharia Law. This is Quebec Canada follow the law.

If a woman was going to Egypt they would follow their laws and customs.

[andyt]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

It is simply that if you come to Quebec don't expect that Quebec are going to follow Sharia Law. This is Quebec Canada follow the law.

If a woman was going to Egypt they would follow their laws and customs.

This isn't a case about following the law - there is no law against the niqab. She doesn't even have to follow our customs. But if her custom interferes with something she wants to do, it's her that will have to accommodate.

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Western secular society based on Christian beliefs. And you still haven't even come close to showing how we are less accomodating than Islam.

The funniest part about all this is that in an Islamic ruled country you would be one of the first ones "dealt with" as an atheist, and yet you still defend them!

You guys keep telling us that those nasty muslims are coming for us. Its like trying to talk to 9/11 truthers. I have no fear that muslims are coming to convert me nor kill me.

Plenty of people had no fear of an enemy coming to get them, but it didn't stop that enemy. Remember Chamberlain and "Peace in our time".

[DerbyX]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

DerbyX DerbyX:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Western secular society based on Christian beliefs. And you still haven't even come close to showing how we are less accomodating than Islam.

The funniest part about all this is that in an Islamic ruled country you would be one of the first ones "dealt with" as an atheist, and yet you still defend them!

You guys keep telling us that those nasty muslims are coming for us. Its like trying to talk to 9/11 truthers. I have no fear that muslims are coming to convert me nor kill me.

Plenty of people had no fear of an enemy coming to get them, but it didn't stop that enemy. Remember Chamberlain and "Peace in our time".

I'm sure that is what many muslims tell their people. If they don't do something then the christians are coming to get them.