[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Again you miss the point curtman.

If weed was legal I'd be all for commercial ops.
But it isn't and it's unlikely to be legalised soon.

The pressing problem is illegal grow-ops in residential areas.

That's what we need to concentrate on. You and your chums growing weed across the road or next-door to Granny Atkins.

You are the hazard. You and your ilk put others at risk but you spout off pretending to be some kind of libertarian.

You are just a hazard to society, but the really sad thing is that you don’t even know it.

See how many people are supporting your stance? It should tell you that your clueless attitude doesn’t resonate outside your baseball hat wearing chums.

Me and my chums you say... Do you know what the difference is between you and me? I've seen the scumbags who end up with the money and the people left in their wake. I got away from them and I fight against them.

You bicker about politics and dangers that you create when you spread hysteria.

[Lemmy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

So a grow op is 500 plants in every room? Where did you get that definition from?

5 plants is more than enough for personal consumption.

A harvest every 60-90 days will produce about $1000 of good weed per plant.
5 plants could produce $30,000 of weed in a year. How much can one person smoke?

Your druggy past doesn't seem to be able to deal with the facts.

Your numbers are optomistic ("5 plants..."), if we're talking about outdoor growing for personal use. If you plant 20 plants, you'll be lucky if 6 - 10 survive the summer, that is if nobody stumbles upon your patch and cuts all your tops (fuckers). Each plant, if you water it well and fertilize it will likely yield an ounce or so (about $200 on the street). And, if were talking about out-door growing, there's only one season per year; one kick at the cat. For a typical social smoker, 6 - 10 oz would be a year's supply, so you're gonna need more than 5 plants.

That's the lure of indoor growing: higher yields, lower losses and a 12-month growing season. And, of course, there will always be folks too lazy to bother growing their own. Any legalization/decriminalization scheme needs to consider that as well, if we're buying the argument about cutting out the traffickers through legalization.

[EyeBrock]

Lemmy Lemmy:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

So a grow op is 500 plants in every room? Where did you get that definition from?

5 plants is more than enough for personal consumption.

A harvest every 60-90 days will produce about $1000 of good weed per plant.
5 plants could produce $30,000 of weed in a year. How much can one person smoke?

Your druggy past doesn't seem to be able to deal with the facts.

Your numbers are optomistic ("5 plants..."), if we're talking about outdoor growing for personal use. If you plant 20 plants, you'll be lucky if 6 - 10 survive the summer, that is if nobody stumbles upon your patch and cuts all your tops (fuckers). Each plant, if you water it well and fertilize it will likely yield an ounce or so (about $200 on the street). And, if were talking about out-door growing, there's only one season per year; one kick at the cat. For a typical social smoker, 6 - 10 oz would be a year's supply, so you're gonna need more than 5 plants.

That's the lure of indoor growing: higher yields, lower losses and a 12-month growing season. And, of course, there will always be folks too lazy to bother growing their own. Any legalization/decriminalization scheme needs to consider that as well, if we're buying the argument about cutting out the traffickers through legalization.

I'm talking about an indoor grow. Outdoor grows yield way less for way more risk.

The average plant my colleagues seize from an indoor grow is a hydroponic hybrid, bred for harvest yield. These plants can yield up to a pound in 90 days, less in 60. That's a lot of weed per plant. This is a pretty standard yield.

That’s why the grows have moved indoors. That’s why they have become a community hazard.
Outdoor grows pose no immediate risk to anybody.

And the law has already looked at 5 plants as a cut-off. 5 plants grown indoors will do way more than one heavy consumer. I think they are being very generous in that cut-off.

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm talking about an indoor grow. Outdoor grows yield way less for way more risk.

The average plant my colleagues seize from an indoor grow is a hydroponic hybrid, bred for harvest yield. These plants can yield up to a pound in 90 days, less in 60. That's a lot of weed per plant. This is a pretty standard yield.

That’s why the grows have moved indoors. That’s why they have become a community hazard.
Outdoor grows pose no immediate risk to anybody.

And the law has already looked at 5 plants as a cut-off. 5 plants grown indoors will do way more than one heavy consumer. I think they are being very generous in that cut-off.

Five plants would supply one pothead and all his friends.

The problem with the grow-ops is that they're run by organized crime adn these people don't have much in the way of decency. This isn't a couple of old hippies wiorking for COmpassion Club and lovingly groqwing organic bud. They use tons of nasty chemcials and dangwerous wiring and often have children living there. There's usually guns around, and they inevitably end up basically destroying the house.

[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Five plants would supply one pothead and all his friends.

The problem with the grow-ops is that they're run by organized crime adn these people don't have much in the way of decency. This isn't a couple of old hippies wiorking for COmpassion Club and lovingly groqwing organic bud. They use tons of nasty chemcials and dangwerous wiring and often have children living there. There's usually guns around, and they inevitably end up basically destroying the house.

Quit making sense, dammit! You're going to upset those who think it's still all run by Cheech & Chong rumbling around the desert in a 1973 Econoline.

[EyeBrock]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm talking about an indoor grow. Outdoor grows yield way less for way more risk.

The average plant my colleagues seize from an indoor grow is a hydroponic hybrid, bred for harvest yield. These plants can yield up to a pound in 90 days, less in 60. That's a lot of weed per plant. This is a pretty standard yield.

That’s why the grows have moved indoors. That’s why they have become a community hazard.
Outdoor grows pose no immediate risk to anybody.

And the law has already looked at 5 plants as a cut-off. 5 plants grown indoors will do way more than one heavy consumer. I think they are being very generous in that cut-off.

Five plants would supply one pothead and all his friends.

The problem with the grow-ops is that they're run by organized crime adn these people don't have much in the way of decency. This isn't a couple of old hippies wiorking for COmpassion Club and lovingly groqwing organic bud. They use tons of nasty chemcials and dangwerous wiring and often have children living there. There's usually guns around, and they inevitably end up basically destroying the house.

Zip, you get it.

[Curtman]

Thanos Thanos:

Quit making sense, dammit! You're going to upset those who think it's still all run by Cheech & Chong rumbling around the desert in a 1973 Econoline.

Exactly.. These are people who are at war with others who want to control territory for distribution and recruitment. People would be upset if they found that out.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

The gangsters are the ones with the grow-ops. Locking up growers supports the gangsters.

That little nugget actually makes some sense.

[EyeBrock]

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Again you miss the point curtman.

If weed was legal I'd be all for commercial ops.
But it isn't and it's unlikely to be legalised soon.

The pressing problem is illegal grow-ops in residential areas.

That's what we need to concentrate on. You and your chums growing weed across the road or next-door to Granny Atkins.

You are the hazard. You and your ilk put others at risk but you spout off pretending to be some kind of libertarian.

You are just a hazard to society, but the really sad thing is that you don’t even know it.

See how many people are supporting your stance? It should tell you that your clueless attitude doesn’t resonate outside your baseball hat wearing chums.

Me and my chums you say... Do you know what the difference is between you and me? I've seen the scumbags who end up with the money and the people left in their wake. I got away from them and I fight against them.

You bicker about politics and dangers that you create when you spread hysteria.

No, the difference between you and me is that I've seen the scumbags and the victims.

You, you've just seen the scumbags. No politics on this, it's my job, what do you do now drug-trafficker? Help grannies across the road?

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

The gangsters are the ones with the grow-ops. Locking up growers supports the gangsters.

That little nugget actually makes some sense.

It does.. The gangsters wouldn't have any reason to build grow-ops in your neighborhood if it didn't make them a lot of money to do so.

[EyeBrock]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

The gangsters are the ones with the grow-ops. Locking up growers supports the gangsters.

That little nugget actually makes some sense.

Often the gangsters get caught at the grow-op. Probation really straightens 'em out.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Often the gangsters get caught at the grow-op. Probation really straightens 'em out.

For sure, after their 6 months in con-college, probation is the time when they really shine.

[EyeBrock]

Who cares? 6 months inside isn't fun for anybody.

Hey, you wanna take out ads on how good grow-ops are?

[ASLplease]

anyone that risks my family and my house for their almighty pothead urges, is truly a scumbag.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

No, the difference between you and me is that I've seen the scumbags and the victims.

You, you've just seen the scumbags. No politics on this, it's my job, what do you do now drug-trafficker? Help grannies across the road?

Go on, tell us about the victims of prohibition.