[PublicAnimalNo9]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The only way government can make things easier for families is to LOWER THE FUCKING TAXES! Raising or redirecting taxes to national daycare is the exact WRONG direction to take.

For what families? Middle to upper class families?

Lowering taxes on low-income families will have little to no effect as many don't make enough to pay taxes anyways.

You're only talking about income taxes. The poor feel the pinch of sales taxes and other euphamistic terms for tax grabs outside of payroll taxes a lot more than the middle and upper classes.

Lowering taxes would put more money in everybody's pocket, rich or poor.
When you're forced to pay more, you have less to spend..or save.

[Yogi]

So today we have a 9% increase in taxes over what 'we' were paying 30 years ago. Something else 'most' parents have today are payments for the ' I don't wanna wait till I can actually afford to buy it' items.

One that PA9 mentioned was cell phones, another was 'too much house'. Now, you can rent a decent place for about $1,200/mo as opposed to a $1,800+ monthly mortgage.
Oh, you say that renting is for losers, buying a home is an investment which will, over the years provide a healthy return. I agree with you completely on this point. It IS an investment which will hopefully show a healthy return, which in turn, goes int your pocket! So instead of you renting until you can actually afford to purchase a home, I should subsidize your mortgage payment. NOT!

New vehicles. The majority of families have at least two. (monthly payments x2, and don't forget the ins/maint costs)Most are unnecessary. I mean, how many families actually require a 4x4 gas guzzler to get around?

We made due with older 'beaters' until we could actually afford a new car! What a concept eh?

When 'you' decide to have kids, 'you' should be prepared to make many sacrifices!

[ShepherdsDog]

Parents are also buying their kids the expensive toys thinking it makes up for the time they are not spending with them.

[Scape]

Yogi Yogi:

When 'you' decide to have kids, 'you' should be prepared to make many sacrifices!

What about the people who can't have kids?

[Yogi]

Scape Scape:

Yogi Yogi:

When 'you' decide to have kids, 'you' should be prepared to make many sacrifices!

What about the people who can't have kids?

I'll take a stab at this anyways.

I would guess that folks who can't have kids won't be clamoring for a daycare subsidy!

[PublicAnimalNo9]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Parents are also buying their kids the expensive toys thinking it makes up for the time they are not spending with them.

Bingo, once again fiscal responsibility raises it's ugly head.
The "ME" generation has spawned the "I want it NOW" generation. And as a result, the "ME" generation expects the rest of us to subsidize their lives.

[TattoodGirl]

I will never question why I want to leave Canada again. You all complain about single parents not being at home for their children, you complain when they are home for their children because of the burden. Geez people make up your fucking minds. Universal child care will pay out over time then the crap we have in place now. The taxes over a year will pay towards that and the lessened need for social services later in life. I would rather see children taken care of then overweight, not willing to take action on their own health adults...at least kids are the future and can be molded in a way to be more desirable than most of the adults in Canada now.

One of the richest countries in the world but we cant take care of the ones that are our future. Pathetic excuse for Canadians...sorry for being blunt but that is how I see it.

**waiting for the "you are a bleeding heart" retoric now....

[Tricks]

Damn bleeding hearts! (Also 13000 posts, grats.)

[Scape]

Yogi Yogi:

I would guess that folks who can't have kids won't be clamoring for a daycare subsidy!

They end up paying to adopt or foster at a huge cost. $10k just for a single invetro and it's a roll of the dice with the odds stacked against.

This country sucks at making babies that can keep the economy rolling.

[Yogi]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

I will never question why I want to leave Canada again. You all complain about single parents not being at home for their children, you complain when they are home for their children because of the burden. Geez people make up your fucking minds. Universal child care will pay out over time then the crap we have in place now. The taxes over a year will pay towards that and the lessened need for social services later in life. I would rather see children taken care of then overweight, not willing to take action on their own health adults...at least kids are the future and can be molded in a way to be more desirable than most of the adults in Canada now.

One of the richest countries in the world but we cant take care of the ones that are our future. Pathetic excuse for Canadians...sorry for being blunt but that is how I see it.

**waiting for the "you are a bleeding heart" retoric now....

From your point of view TG, I too am a 'bleeding heart'!
I have always advocated giving 'a hand up' (see my sig), not a handout!

Most single parents are in a lower income bracket and require a daycare subsidy and should receive it.
Secondly, our gutless govts. MUST go after 'delinquint parents'. No holds barred. Vicious is a word that comes to mind!

There should be a 'cap' on household income as regards daycare subsidies. I don't see why 'you and I' should be subsidizing a couple when their combined-yearly income is over $150.000!!!
I have two family members who fit into this category and have voiced my disapproval to them just as strongly as I have here! I don't think that anyone else here who has thus far agreed with me would disagree on these points either!

[PimpBrewski123]

At least in the QC program, for one thing, there are long waiting lists.

As for any government run programs, there is bureaucracy involved. Unions for the daycare workers. They are to demand salary increases.

Also, the costs to the governement are huge, as in there is a decent percentage of the annual budget going for these subsidies the CPE program. Some would say nearing a billion, that's only for the province, so it would be so much more at the Federal level. Even the PLQ in '04, raised by only 2 dollars, people protested and cried to the media. All this in order to create more places so more could benefit from the program. So in all, there could certainly be other ways to make it beneficial for more people.

[OnTheIce]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The only way government can make things easier for families is to LOWER THE FUCKING TAXES! Raising or redirecting taxes to national daycare is the exact WRONG direction to take.

For what families? Middle to upper class families?

Lowering taxes on low-income families will have little to no effect as many don't make enough to pay taxes anyways.

You're only talking about income taxes. The poor feel the pinch of sales taxes and other euphamistic terms for tax grabs outside of payroll taxes a lot more than the middle and upper classes.

Lowering taxes would put more money in everybody's pocket, rich or poor.
When you're forced to pay more, you have less to spend..or save.

Having struggled with finances in the past, I can tell you first hand that a minor tax break on sales taxes means dick-all and barely makes a difference if at all.

I've been at both ends of the spectrum and cutting taxes for poor people have little to no effect on the well being of their familes.