[Winnipegger]

Regina Regina:

I've never heard of landing gear being "straightened" out because of a hard landing, so I'm call BS on this one.

That's one of the good things about knowing how to actually use television. Documentaries often give you information you would never get any other way. For example, a CBC series that followed a class of CF-18 pilots from their first day to last, did include an interview with one of the technicians who repairs/maintains the planes. He talked about one of the members of CF-18 landing gear, not the main support strut but one of thinner members, often gets bent due to hard landings. If it gets bent then landing gear won't retract. Yup, he bends it back to straighten and has to do it a lot with the trainer CF-18s. This wasn't a script or any actors, this was one of the guys who maintains the planes at Cold Lake. The camera shot had the technician point out a bent member on an actual plane, right after one of the students landed hard. The student got marks against after that landing, and yes the hard landing was shown on TV as well.

[EyeBrock]

Regardless of anvils and CBC documentaries.

The F18E/F is a much better and cheaper buy for Canada than the Typhoon.

So there!

[Regina]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

That's one of the good things about knowing how to actually use television.

You should take your own advice when it comes to the internet.

How about naming the "member" that was bent back because I guarantee you that it was NOT a load carrying stressed part of the landing gear. If it was "bent" back then it wasn't cast or milled T6 because it would have cracked or broke when bent back. Maybe a slightly bend rod but even then it can't be a critical load carrying stressed part of the main gear.

[Winnipegger]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Regardless of anvils and CBC documentaries.

The F18E/F is a much better and cheaper buy for Canada than the Typhoon.

So there!

Very concise EyeBrock. We could get into details of metal fatigue and anealling non-ferrous metals, specifically titanium alloy Ti-5Al-2.5Sn also known as T6, or aircraft grade titanium alloy. This could get very technical very quickly. Perhaps it is best to cut to the chase.

For the most part Russia does not challenge Canada's sovereignty in the arctic. They do claim a wedge, but that makes the north pole our common boarder. They have flown T-95 Bear bombers in international air space close to our air space, but haven't incurred within our air space. Actually, their flights came close to Alaska, proximity to Canada was incidental. But there one blow-hard in the Russian parliament who wants to claim the entire arctic ocean. While George W. was president of the US he tried to claim the Northwest Passage is an international straight, not an internal Canadian waterway. He was the first US president to say so. He also claimed a wedge of the Beaufort Sea, 30% into the Canadian side. So the only serious challenge to Canadian sovereignty is actually coming from the US. President Obama is trying to re-establish relations with other countries, starting with Canada, but hasn't yet explicitly overturned George W.'s claims. The foreign affairs guys in the US tend to respect strength, so a serious show would without a direct challenge would get them to recognise our territory.

So, how would a SuperHornet or an F-35 fare against a wing of F-22s? What if Russia got agressive; how would a SuperHornet or F-35 fare against their latest? A ruffy-tuffy fighter could avoid direct conflict.

Oh, as for cost, one of the things I am arguing for is a forward air base at Resolute Bay capable of hosting an entire wing of CF-18 fighters. As we discussed before, an air base is stronger than the largest supercarrier. This would be instead of armed heavy icebreakers.

[EyeBrock]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Regardless of anvils and CBC documentaries.

The F18E/F is a much better and cheaper buy for Canada than the Typhoon.

So there!

Very concise EyeBrock. We could get into details of metal fatigue and anealling non-ferrous metals, specifically titanium alloy Ti-5Al-2.5Sn also known as T6, or aircraft grade titanium alloy. This could get very technical very quickly. Perhaps it is best to cut to the chase.

For the most part Russia does not challenge Canada's sovereignty in the arctic. They do claim a wedge, but that makes the north pole our common boarder. They have flown T-95 Bear bombers in international air space close to our air space, but haven't incurred within our air space. Actually, their flights came close to Alaska, proximity to Canada was incidental. But there one blow-hard in the Russian parliament who wants to claim the entire arctic ocean. While George W. was president of the US he tried to claim the Northwest Passage is an international straight, not an internal Canadian waterway. He was the first US president to say so. He also claimed a wedge of the Beaufort Sea, 30% into the Canadian side. So the only serious challenge to Canadian sovereignty is actually coming from the US. President Obama is trying to re-establish relations with other countries, starting with Canada, but hasn't yet explicitly overturned George W.'s claims. The foreign affairs guys in the US tend to respect strength, so a serious show would without a direct challenge would get them to recognise our territory.

So, how would a SuperHornet or an F-35 fare against a wing of F-22s? What if Russia got agressive; how would a SuperHornet or F-35 fare against their latest? A ruffy-tuffy fighter could avoid direct conflict.

Oh, as for cost, one of the things I am arguing for is a forward air base at Resolute Bay capable of hosting an entire wing of CF-18 fighters. As we discussed before, an air base is stronger than the largest supercarrier. This would be instead of armed heavy icebreakers.

We've gone through all these points already.

[Regina]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Very concise EyeBrock. We could get into details of metal fatigue and anealling non-ferrous metals, specifically titanium alloy Ti-5Al-2.5Sn also known as T6, or aircraft grade titanium alloy. This could get very technical very quickly. Perhaps it is best to cut to the chase.

T6 is Aluminum.

http://asm.matweb.com/search/SpecificMa ... m=MA6063T6

http://asm.matweb.com/search/SpecificMa ... m=MA2024T6

[EyeBrock]

Come on Regina, just because he's been wrong on all this stuff, there's no need to laugh!

[Regina]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Come on Regina, just because he's been wrong on all this stuff, there's no need to laugh!

I'm not even sure he knows the issue, therefore can't bring the relevant argument to the table. After all that's how we got to know that he has a 200lb anvil in his back yard.

[EyeBrock]

On the anvil, maybe he uses it bang those titanuim alloy undercart legs straight.

[Regina]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

On the anvil, maybe he uses it bang those titanuim alloy undercart legs straight.

Can't imagine what the aluminum would be like if he pounded it with an iron hammer and anvil. Seeing that the metals are very dissimilar..........it would be a hell of a mess.

[Winnipegger]

T6 is a short form, nicname for an alloy of titanium. I prefer to use the longer name to avoid confusion with other alloys, for example aluminum. You don't build aircraft landing gear from aluminum. Landing gear is titanium; specifically a titanium-aluminum-tin alloy. Notice the chemical forumla: Ti-5Al-2.5Sn

[Regina]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

T6 is a short form, nicname for an alloy of titanium. I prefer to use the longer name to avoid confusion with other alloys, for example aluminum. You don't build aircraft landing gear from aluminum. Landing gear is titanium; specifically a titanium-aluminum-tin alloy. Notice the chemical forumla: Ti-5Al-2.5Sn

BS you haven't a clue what you're talking about! If you did, you'd know that T6 is the reference for Aluminum and Grade 6 is for Titanium. Grade 6 titanium is used in jet engines for parts such as the blades etc. T6 Aluminum is used for landing gear and is 60% lighter than titanium and not as brittle but Grade 6 can be used in hydraulic systems

Nice try.

[ridenrain]

Had to drag out my Willkinson Steel for this one but..
The T designated a temperature hardenable alluminum alloy ranging from t1 to t10.
2000,600 and 7000 series aluminums can be treated in this way.

[Regina]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

. You don't build aircraft landing gear from aluminum. Landing gear is titanium; specifically a titanium-aluminum-tin alloy.

You should take your anvil over to Cessna and tell them how it should be done then.

[bootlegga]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Oh, as for cost, one of the things I am arguing for is a forward air base at Resolute Bay capable of hosting an entire wing of CF-18 fighters. As we discussed before, an air base is stronger than the largest supercarrier. This would be instead of armed heavy icebreakers.

So far the best idea I've yet is that of an icebreaking helicopter carrier.

That would allow us to project power and patrol the Arctic just about as well and for a lot less, because jet-capable airstrip at Resolute would probably have to be re-built every summer after the thaw. Our tiny fleet of icebreakers are stressed just carrying supplies to Arctic communities, wihtout having to also ship in everything necessary to build a new runway each spring. And it would create the expeditionary capability CF generals/admirals have been longing for too.

Two birds, one stone.