[bootlegga]

poquas poquas:

ridenrain ridenrain:

It's not a common one but then I wonder if these French MP's get the translations right.

Stephan Taylor did some digging on Chantal Hebert, a well known Liberal media punbit who is also French Canadian and has also used the phrase on a number of occasions.

Trust you to pull out what has become the typical Reform party response.... Don't apologise, attack the other guy.

She's a Liberal pundit (not punbit). As I’ve expressed in the past. Fix our party first. Let the Liberals deal with their own problems.

[fifeboy]

maldonsfecht maldonsfecht:

I'd never heard the term before and so I looked it up... there was ONE definition given:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tar%20baby

tar baby 
–noun a situation, problem, or the like, that is almost impossible to solve or to break away from.

Also, tarbaby.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




[After "Bre'r Rabbit and the Tar Baby," an Uncle Remus story by Joel Chandler Harris.]

this is a non-issue...


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Origin:
1520–30; niggard + -ly

Washington, DC's black Mayor, Anthony Williams, gladly accepted the resignation of his white staff member, David Howard, because Mr. Howard uttered the word 'niggardly' in a private staff meeting.

Webster's Tenth Edition defines the word 'niggardly' to "grudgingly mean about spending or granting". The Barnhard Dictionary of Etymology traces the origins of 'niggardly' to the 1300's, and to the words 'nig' and 'ignon', meaning "miser" in Middle English. No where in any of these references is any mention of racial connotations associated with the word 'niggardly'.

people are just LOOKING for controversy rather than opening a dictionary

Actually no. I lived in the U.S. for a number of years, during my teen years and "tar baby" is a term that means only one thing....nigger! Anything else is just trying to cover it up. I would accept a simple apology and and explanation that he is just ignorant. The introduction of the trouble over "niggardly" given here is just a red herring.

[ridenrain]

I guess those CPC Truth ads are being shown to hit harder and deeper than they thought. Libs can't prompt a lawsuit over them and all they can do is respond with small town cheap you-tube videos made in someone's basement.
A big jucy racism/victim story might distract some of the heat.

Political oportunism in it's most naked uglyness.

[DerbyX]

Says the guy gloating over false nanny allegations and the unsubstantiated parking allegations.

[ridenrain]

Are you keeping score because it sounds like you think you're losing.

Did the speaker of the house rule that comment out of order?

[DerbyX]

Just pointing out your hypocrisy. As for the speaker of the house. I'm sure if he did you'd be claiming he was a Liberal stooge anyway. You would be the first person to say that Peter Milliken as a Liberal is simply showing bias. In fact you are the first person on this forum to jump to any political opportunism where there is a chance to attack the Libs. The first.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Just pointing out your hypocrisy. As for the speaker of the house. I'm sure if he did you'd be claiming he was a Liberal stooge anyway. You would be the first person to say that Peter Milliken as a Liberal is simply showing bias. In fact you are the first person on this forum to jump to any political opportunism where there is a chance to attack the Libs. The first.

.. but the speaker didn't rule that out of order did he?
That's probably because it's not a racist phrase and is only twisted into one by small minded people with an agenda.

The opposition has better things to do than play the race card for the media.

I wonder what the Liberal pundit who also uses the phrase will say about this?

[poquas]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Political oportunism in it's most naked uglyness.

That expresses the biggest problem in Politics across the board and you demonstrate how ugly it really is. You seem to think your constant “gotcha” attacks make points for the Conservative party when in fact it makes us all look small and mean. You don’t represent the majority of the Conservatives in Canada, you represent you. It makes you look like a kook and everyone who reads your flood of Anti-”insert opposition party here” posts just makes more of us miss the days when even a tiny level of decorum existed in politics. You just prove that our party is running in fear and throwing stones to try and misguide everyone about what actually is happening.

There are those on the other side of the same coin here, but I have to say in all fairness, most of what I’ve seen appears to be an attempt to counter the various silly attacks. It’s no better in most cases, but I’m not sure it’s as bad.

[DerbyX]

Its always the same with you. When its the cons its a non-issue, political opportunism, and such.

When its the Liberals its proof positive of whatever you believe about them.

Its always the same with you.

[bootlegga]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Actually an apology is just what is called for. In fact often in society we apologize for inadvertently offending people. We do it at work, with friends, in relationships, and in society in general. Once at work 2 of my coworkers were discussing her son and his inquisitive nature. Specifically she talked about how he liked to investigate every little thing. I made the comment "sounds very ferret-like". She got quite upset. Turns out her son is a special needs child and she was very sensitive about him. I didn't mean offence and my comment wasn't insulting yet offence was taken. I apologized and explained my words and that was that.

I have no doubt that were this a Liberal there would be conservatives calling for his head like they did for Kinsella. All this guy has to do is offer an apology.

And you've got to wonder about what kind of person who strenuously objects to simply offering an apology for misspeaking. It'll be interesting to see if these partisan hacks take the same approach when it's a party of another stripe.

Remember the stink the con hacks here made over Iggy's aide talking about cat and Chinese restaurants? Then it was unforgivable, but when it's their own guy, hey, it was just a misunderstanding...

[DerbyX]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Actually an apology is just what is called for. In fact often in society we apologize for inadvertently offending people. We do it at work, with friends, in relationships, and in society in general. Once at work 2 of my coworkers were discussing her son and his inquisitive nature. Specifically she talked about how he liked to investigate every little thing. I made the comment "sounds very ferret-like". She got quite upset. Turns out her son is a special needs child and she was very sensitive about him. I didn't mean offence and my comment wasn't insulting yet offence was taken. I apologized and explained my words and that was that.

I have no doubt that were this a Liberal there would be conservatives calling for his head like they did for Kinsella. All this guy has to do is offer an apology.

And you've got to wonder about what kind of person who strenuously objects to simply offering an apology for misspeaking. It'll be interesting to see if these partisan hacks take the same approach when it's a party of another stripe.

Exactly. Bodah already quoted the piece. They were calling for him to be fired. Hell they consider it political opportunism calling for flaherty to be fired and all he did was sink us another 50 billion in the hole.

[ridenrain]

Please show me where any CPC employee said that Chinese food was made from cat meat? That's just the tip of the crap that spewed from Cat Meat Kinsella's mouth. There's no way that he could be employed anywhere but the Libs refuse to fire the guy.

You're comment about eating kittens at teh top is pretty funny in this context.


Here's another example of it being used by lefties.

$1:

The Tar Baby of Canadian Politics
April 11, 2000


The tar pit of Bible thumping moral swordsmanship has already made tar baby Stockwell Day the biggest cry wolf baby in the land. If Day continues his moral in-your-face politics, he may soon bury Manning and the Alliance with him.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_zol ... 00411.html

Isn't this racist too?

[DerbyX]

Again: Trust you to pull out what has become the typical Reform party response.... Don't apologise, attack the other guy.

Again: And you've got to wonder about what kind of person who strenuously objects to simply offering an apology for misspeaking. It'll be interesting to see if these partisan hacks take the same approach when it's a party of another stripe.

Again: IGNORANCE EXCUSE

When Ottawa Centre NDP MP Paul Dewar and Liberal House leader Ralph Goodale asked Poilievre to take it back, he claimed he had no idea the term had racist connotations.

Again: The ignorance excuse didn't cut it with Jennings. Poilievre has a history of making offensive gestures and comments, she said.

Again: Just because other people have said it, doesn't make it right, and Poilievre's past comments made yesterday's even more egregious, Jennings said.

AGAIN: (as in my example) Sometimes you offend people when you did not mean to. You do the right thing and simply offer an apology. He could have dispensed with this then and there when given the opportunity and he could have simply made an apology later.

He didn't.

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

The offended MP was black and therefore has a different opinion. How are you not being offensive when you claim she is doing it only for political gain rather then because she was truly offended?

Posturing. Nothing more. She should get a dictionary.

edited by mod

[DerbyX]

Was it posturing when Kinsella was attacked? Was it posturing when Dion was attacked?

Its always posturing when its the cons being held accountable. I think that women was genuinely offended by the term and not just leaping at a chance for political partisanship.

Seems to me its posturing to accuse her of being anything but genuine.