[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Hillier or the voters didn't put us there or move us.
That was Chretien and Martin.

If you can't accept the blame, don't keep bringing it up.

Hillier lobbied for it and the deployment was fully with the support of the CPC who wanted us in Iraq as well.

In addition, under your logic Martin shares no more blame then Harper.

Just another one of your uneducated tirades where you simply heap blame on the Liberals but if any accolades are to be doled out it will be Harper and his insistence that Chretien deploy the troops and Harpers dogmatic persistence to keep us there that deserves all the credit.

Still no answer for Harper blowing 200 million in a specific example? Can we bring up his near record cabinet size?

Where is the conservative distaste for big govt? Seems Harper is singing a different tune then when he first came to office:

$1:

Conservatives were singing a different tune when they took office. When Mr. Harper swore in his first ministry on Feb. 6, 2006, he spoke with pride of its limited size compared to the previous Liberal cabinets.

"My smaller cabinet and more streamlined cabinet structure are designed for work — not for show,” the Prime Minister said that day.

Now we got an extra 3.9 million for his expanded cabinet numbers, 37 in all.

$1:

The Conservatives had 26 ministers in their initial 2006 cabinet, expanded that to 31 ministers over their first term in office, and now have 37 ministers following the latest shuffle.

Of course that only bothered you when it was the Liberals (who always had less) doing it right>

More tax and spend polcies from the govt that led us from a 13 billion surplus to a 30 billion deficit.

[DerbyX]

mtbr mtbr:

Hypocrite hack.

Iraq and Iggy both start with I and don't you forget it.

The only hypocrites are you cons praising Harper everytime he does exactly what you bitched and moaned the Liberals were doing.

[ridenrain]

Lobbying or calling for it does not authorize the move. It's the PM who made that decision and that was Chretien and Martin.
You are really in denial over this.
...and you have to bring Iraq in as well when you know that Ignatieff was for that also.

[DerbyX]

Yet The troops were already in Afghanistan when Martin came to power or did you forget that fact?

Like I said, you can't blame Martin without blaming Harper.

As for Iraq & Iggy so what? Iggy was never my candidate of choice but the Liberals are my party of choice.

Unlike your party mine hasn't gone back on its word over virtually every single thing it campaigned on.

Now why don't you answer up the questions concerning how Harper is spending all those tax dollars you say are being paid by us taxpayers at far too high a rate?

[mtbr]

Regina Regina:

What pile of crap.

looks like beer will no longer be on your breakfast menu

[mtbr]

what kind of Pee water can you buy for a buck.

besides Molsons

[thirteen31]

mtbr mtbr:

what kind of Pee water can you buy for a buck.

besides Molsons

It's not a buck anymore, I'm afraid. You'll have to pay $1.60 more for that Pee Water.

[DerbyX]

$1.07 per bottle minimum under the new rules.

I think the only brand that actually charged a buck a beer was Laker lager.

"Laker a lager, its a buck a beer" was their jingo.

I wouldn't buy that cheap crap even when I was a starving student.

[ridenrain]

Why would I blame Harper?
He was the one who worked with the other parties to set conditions then worked with other NATO members to meet those conditions.
He was the only one that took this to parliament and to the people.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Why would I blame Harper?
He was the one who worked with the other parties to set conditions then worked with other NATO members to meet those conditions.
He was the only one that took this to parliament and to the people.

What garbage. Harper took nothing to the people and only worked with the Liberals because "he was forced to". In fact the same withdrawl date that the "cut and run" Liberals forced on him is now Harper greatest triumph.

At all times it seems it was Chretien and Martin who worked to fulfill Canada's NATO comittemnts.

Harper on the other hand had Mackay tell the US they won't consider their request to stay longer because Harper has blown so much money that he can't afford it.

[Caelon]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I wouldn't buy that cheap crap even when I was a starving student.

At the risk of dating myself when I was a student you had a choice of Labatts or Molson when you went to the bar. As a student it didn't matter as long as there was alcohol in the glass. Once I got out into the real world and found out about decent beer I never had a Labatts or Molson since.

The current tax regime and pricing policies in Alberta mean that you can buy craft or imported beer for almost the same price as the two biggies. So why drink swill when you do not have to.

Now if the government could forego a portion of the tax revenue to get the price back to $1 per bottle or less I could take some of the savings to add to my wine collection.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Lobbying or calling for it does not authorize the move. It's the PM who made that decision and that was Chretien and Martin.
You are really in denial over this.
...and you have to bring Iraq in as well when you know that Ignatieff was for that also.

OH, BTW.

Since you believe that calling for it doesn't imply guilt then you cannot share blame for the auto bailout with all the other parties can you?

Afterall, just because they called for it and/or supported it the fault still lies with Harper.

The same thing goes for the deficit. You can't hold the opinion that the Liberals and/or NDP are to blame because they would also have run a deficit can you?

Nope. Your logic must apply equally.

OK. Chretien out us into Afghanistan.

Harper is at fault for an auto bailout only 39% of canadians support and for a 30 billion dollar deficit that noby does.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Why would I blame Harper?
He was the one who worked with the other parties to set conditions then worked with other NATO members to meet those conditions.
He was the only one that took this to parliament and to the people.

What garbage. Harper took nothing to the people and only worked with the Liberals because "he was forced to". In fact the same withdrawl date that the "cut and run" Liberals forced on him is now Harper greatest triumph.

At all times it seems it was Chretien and Martin who worked to fulfill Canada's NATO comittemnts.

Harper on the other hand had Mackay tell the US they won't consider their request to stay longer because Harper has blown so much money that he can't afford it.

Please feel free to show us where Chretien or Martin's exit strategy was ever published because I've never seen it.

It's funny that you'll cry blue bloody murder about the power of the PMO under Harper but you're comfortable and confidant when the same office under Chretien or Martin abuses that power to secure bank loans, beat up protesters or sends people off to be tortured.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Please feel free to show us where Chretien or Martin's exit strategy was ever published because I've never seen it.

It's funny that you'll cry blue bloody murder about the power of the PMO under Harper but you're comfortable and confidant when the same office under Chretien or Martin abuses that power to secure bank loans, beat up protesters or sends people off to be tortured.

I'm not crying about the power of the PM, you do. You bitch about the PM having to much power. You just ignore it when its Harper doing it.

I understand little minor parliment things like the difference between a majority and a minority. I understand that when we went into Afghanistan Chretien had a majority and didn't need opposition support. Harper did need it back in march which is entriely why you people claimed he was forced into an exit date by the Liberals.

Back then you guys all posted that it was sedition to "cut and run" and setting an exit date would only embolden the enemy.

Funny how you forget that.

[ridenrain]

Still no details on the Liberals master strategy for that mission?


This is enough off topic stuff for me.

mmmmm beer.