[BartSimpson]

So a number of things here: One is that the USA will be airlifting the 2,000 Georgian troops in Iraq back home. A possible confrontation could take place if the Russians shoot down or close on the transports who will be escorted by armed F-22 fighters staging out of Incirlik. Two is that the USA absolutely is supplying arms and manpower to the Georgians. Three is that this whole thing is Putin paying back the USA for dismantling their ally, Serbia, over their dire protests. The payback is that they are now dismantling our ally, Georgia, over our dire protests. What comes around goes around.

[Robair]

Scape Scape:

We helped in Iraq - now help us, beg Georgians

$1:

As a Russian jet bombed fields around his village, Djimali Avago, a Georgian farmer, asked me: “Why won’t America and Nato help us? If they won’t help us now, why did we help them in Iraq?”

Miriyan Gogolashvili, of Tkviav, said: “The Russians will be here tomorrow. They want to show us and the world how powerful they are. Tomorrow it will be Ukraine and nobody in the West is doing anything to stop them. Why were our soldiers in Kosovo and Iraq if we don’t get any help from the West now?” he asked.

The US gave their troops a ride home... that was helping a little bit. Wonder if the rest of the coalition of the willing (whoever's left) is paying attention.

[BartSimpson]

I'll guarantee that those troops were shuttled home along with a few hundred extra weapons per man, a few million extra rounds per man, and a few score shoulder launched missiles, and etc.

[martin14]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Everyone uses the terrorist or genocide card these days. Very convenient--it gives you a moral carte blanche.

while the Russians are bombing apartment blocks.. .. how nice.


Thia could be a slippery slope Chagrin. You really get the feeling
the Americans are going to let the Georgians hang out to dry on this one,
even to the point of regime change in Georgia.

We didnt do anything after annexing Austria or Czechoslovakia either.

Interesting, its about 40 years from the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia......

[Scape]

Very cool vid

Black Eagle MBT

[Chagrin]

martin14 martin14:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Everyone uses the terrorist or genocide card these days. Very convenient--it gives you a moral carte blanche.

while the Russians are bombing apartment blocks.. .. how nice.


Thia could be a slippery slope Chagrin. You really get the feeling
the Americans are going to let the Georgians hang out to dry on this one,
even to the point of regime change in Georgia.

We didnt do anything after annexing Austria or Czechoslovakia either.

Interesting, its about 40 years from the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia......

I'm just saying I don't want us to get involved, like we do with everything.

[martin14]

Chagrin, yes i know exactly what you are saying.

I just pointed out that many people said the same things
while Hitler was preparing his European tour.....


It was American involvement in many parts of the world that kept the Soviets
from becoming too agressive in the past.


oh and thanks for the vid Scape, reminded me i can get Russia Today
on the tube over here...

[Chagrin]

Oh, gotcha then. Dunno if this'll be a good or bad thing if we do get involved, we'll have to see how this plays out.

[BartSimpson]

Chagrin Chagrin:

I'm just saying I don't want us to get involved, like we do with everything.

We already are involved. Georgia is a US ally and we'll not be hanging them out to dry - backing them up is about the only thing both Obama and McCain agree on right now.

[saturn_656]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Chagrin Chagrin:

I'm just saying I don't want us to get involved, like we do with everything.

We already are involved. Georgia is a US ally and we'll not be hanging them out to dry - backing them up is about the only thing both Obama and McCain agree on right now.

Any kind of "back up" Georgia recieves from the US will not aid in its fight against Russia, unless you start landing troops to fight the Russians.

Georgia is too small, Russia too big. Direct intervention is the only way to effect the outcome.

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Chagrin Chagrin:

I'm just saying I don't want us to get involved, like we do with everything.

We already are involved. Georgia is a US ally and we'll not be hanging them out to dry - backing them up is about the only thing both Obama and McCain agree on right now.

By playing taxi driver ?
the extra munitions will help, no doubt, but this will be over in 2-3 days.

Or perhaps, with the airlifts, are we waiting for a Gulf of Tonkin situation ??
or something with the 'advisors' already in-country.....

dangerous games..

[Scape]

Russia accuses Israel of supplying Georgia military

News of the first two SS-21 Russian missile launchers into Georgian territory.

FYI Russia has declared that they will use tactical nuclear weapons if precision munitions are used on any Russian troops.

[Chagrin]

Goddamnit, Russia.

Do you all think there'll be a nuclear war?

[CommanderSock]

$1:

Are you fucking kidding? How about Sudan? Or Tibet?

Tibet is part of China.

In Sudan, Muslims/Arabs are killing tribal blacks? What's your point??

[Zipperfish]

martin14 martin14:

It was American involvement in many parts of the world that kept the Soviets
from becoming too agressive in the past.

And vice versa. The Americans, since the collapse of the former Soviet UNion, have been the world's sole superpower. But power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely--as Bush has been more than willing to demonstrate. I don't think a check on US expansionism is necessarily a bad thing.