[ShepherdsDog]

mtbr mtbr:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

mtbr mtbr:

Keemo Keemo:

Leagalising pot would put the grow ops out of business, and deprive the organized crime rings of a serious income stream. Much of the pot grown now is traded to the US for cocaine and guns. Were we to legalize it and treat it under the same rules as beer and wine, we would free up police resource to deal with the serious drugs like cocaine and crystal meth. Taxed like beer and wine, it could pay for fighting the serious drugs. Legalized, the serious growers, rather than the merely criminally inclined ones, could go legitimate and pay taxes. Their employees would also be paying taxes, and the truckers hauling it off to the LCB distro centre. Under our current pot laws, only cops, lawyers and criminal groups benefit.

what would the organized crime rings do for money..switch to harder drugs. Do you think they would just give up and get real jobs.

Thats a real tired argument. The beer and wine excuse is also nonsense, we don't need any more legal drugs.

Sure we do. Everything should be legal until shown to cause significant societal harm. That's called freedom. Freedom--perhaps you've heard of it, though probably not. I guess scaredy-cats like you can't wait for the police state because you walk around ina permanent state of fear wouldn't know about that.

You can have all the freedom you want when you start paying your own medical bills,nothings free.

A permanent state of fear

He would be referring to the old vets he said he was going to beat up on Remembrance Day. He's a real tough guy.

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[RUEZ]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Obviously you don't get it. By living within a society you surrender certain freedoms in exchange for the protections and services provided by the society. The state can and does place limitations on your 'freedom'. They are called laws. Thumb your nose at them and see how long you remain free.

Laws are fine and dandy until they start taking more from the people and protecting less.

I'm just wondering, bringing this on-topic a little...

What is the Criminalization of Pot REALLY protecting us from? Relaxed Teenagers?

Or the horrors of laid-back society like that you see in any large city, such as Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary or Montreal?

Couldn't possibly have people not worry about their lives and be in a constant state of forcing their way onto others, eh? Couldn't have a society where people didn't step away, deal with their own damned problems, and not this "think about the children" protectionist-styled crap. People KNOW what's "right" and "wrong", and victimless or harmless crimes should really all be decriminalized.

"Did you hear? Jimmy, the 13 year old kid down the street smokes pot! What a horrible influence to the world, a reincarnation of the Devil himself for sure! We must never allow our children near such evil!"

I believe in "keep to your own shit" type policies, unless it directly harms others.

Like murder, rape, libel, whatever. Jaywalking? fuck off.

Many people believe pot is a gateway drug. That is why it's not decriminalized. What part of Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, and Montreal is laid back?

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[RUEZ]

I smoked for about ten years, I can't honestly think of what cigarettes could be a gateway drug for. Coffee?

[romanP]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

You do know that crack is to coca what hash is to weed, right?

With a shitload more chemical processing than hash ever goes through. The effects on the user are also dramatically different.

I didn't say anything about effects, I was talking about the process of making the stuff. Chemical processes or none, it comes from a plant and is not synthesized in a lab.

[romanP]

inquiksilver inquiksilver:

Freedom is great but unfortunately some in society can't express theirs without infringing on the freedom of others. So we could make all drugs legal, but when the addicted start robbing others to fuel the habits of their unproductive lives I'll be the one yelling I told you so.

The addicted already rob people to fuel their habit. As for unproductive, you'd be surprised at how many hard drug users there are leading pefectly productive lives.

If the drugs were legal, they would not be so expensive, and there would be less need to steal in order to get the next hit.

[ShepherdsDog]

really?? hash can be collected by rubbing the resin off of the plant, while crack is processed with and can contain several man toxic chemicals. While plant based in origin it is not what one could refer to as natural, the way hash is.

[RUEZ]

romanP romanP:

As for unproductive, you'd be surprised at how many hard drug users there are leading pefectly productive lives.

Yes I would be surprised. How do you come about this information?

[romanP]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Many people believe pot is a gateway drug. That is why it's not decriminalized. What part of Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, and Montreal is laid back?

I prefer that we base our laws on science, not on what people believe. The science says that pot is not anywhere near as harmful as tobacco or alcohol. If THC is consumed by methods other than smoking, it can actually protect against cancer.

[ShepherdsDog]

as the old commercial went...I do drugs, so I can work longer, so I can make more money, so I can buy more drugs, so I can work longer, so I can make more money, so I can buy more drugs.......ad infinitium ad nauseum

[romanP]

RUEZ RUEZ:

I smoked for about ten years, I can't honestly think of what cigarettes could be a gateway drug for. Coffee?

For a lot of people, it's a gateway to alcohol.

[RUEZ]

romanP romanP:

RUEZ RUEZ:

I smoked for about ten years, I can't honestly think of what cigarettes could be a gateway drug for. Coffee?

For a lot of people, it's a gateway to alcohol.

Where I come from alcohol needed no gateway drug. As a matter of fact I know more people that smoke only after they are drunk.

[ShepherdsDog]

This study was conducted by one of those ......productive.......junkies.

[romanP]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

really?? hash can be collected by rubbing the resin off of the plant, while crack is processed with and can contain several man toxic chemicals.

So can hash. There is a lot of dirty hash in the world that has stuff like cat shit and motor oil in it.