[Bacardi4206]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

The truth is for the most part the crazies have a higher priority in maintaining Canada as a staging base than as a target.

Beside the crazies haven't targeted Texas either...yet....

Staging base? I don't think they used Canada to attack there targets. We may not have the greatest security, but if they think they can sneak a knife on a Airline to Canada, then do it again from Canada to wherever again. That's a big risk, as in the terrorist guidebook (Which was taken from a guy in the UK) on his laptop. It states that they never do a terrorist action unless they are 100% that they could do it virtually, and in reality. The planes used for the U.S. was American Airlines, not Canadian. For the UK, they exploded a sub-way station.

Nothing directly from Canada, not that they may not use Canada later on as a staging base (maybe) but I doubt it. Border cross between Canada and the U.S. is not what it use to be, it's not as easy. Since the 9/11 attacks, the U.S. has really put a lot of attention to the U.S./Canada border. There was even this accusation going on that Mexicans flee to Canada, where they use Canada to hop into the U.S. lol.

I however don't believe they are just targeting random western countries, don't you find it a bit of a coinsidence that they targeted countries they got passed beef with?

[ridenrain]

It's already happened twice with Ahmed Ressam, the "The Millennium Bomber" and the Air India bombing of 2001.
This weekend in Surrey, various Sikh groups will celebrate Vaisakhi and the parade will probably include floats and pictures of alleged Air India bombing mastermind Talwinder Singh Parmar. Included in this group will be people wearing shirts and carrying flags of the International Sikh Youth Federation, a group banned in Canada under the Anti-terrorism Act.

This group, like the Tamil Tigers, are very happy to be in Canada, protected by our generous laws and ample charter rights. They have a large and prosperous ethnic base and raise a great deal of funds to fund the fight back home. They have no intention of harming Canadians but I doubt they would have any hesitation if it was in their interests.

[mikewood86]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Bodah Bodah:

kenmore kenmore:

my comments have nothing to do with the military at all... we shouldnt be there.. I hardly lack respect for the military... and you know why... I just think its a useless endeavour..

It isnt a useless endeavour though, at the very least we are fighting the nut-jobs over there and not here....

As far as I am concerned, Canada wasn't even on there hitlist unti'll after we entered Afghanistan. Which is why everybody else was hit, and we wern't. Unless we had super duty security, better then the U.S. and the U.K.'s which we don't.

The terrorist leader even stated in a old video that Canada wasn't meant to be a target, however because of commitment in Afghanistan. We are now on that list.
He also said that if we pulled out now, we won't be added. If we stay, he will attack Canada.

This was a old video, so its pretty much too late to consider that. Anyways, point being. Because Canada spends most of its Military power with UN, instead of what most countries do. Nobody wants Canada dead, or hates Canada. We don't pose as a threat to them either. Before we got involved, no terrorist ever considered Canada as a target so there would be no 'fight over here'.

The logic in this statement is mind boggling. Not to go after terrorists because they might try and come after you is as gutless as is it stupid. Would you not want the police to go after criminals, or just leave them alone because they 'might' not try to harm you? What about other people? What if they do come after you? Or your family? I bet you'd be kicking yourself after something like that happend.

Should we not help allies who are attacked? I would hope we would get the same help we have offered.

We do not spend most of our military power with the U.N. Myth.

We are a western country and therefore we have always been a target.

[Bacardi4206]

mikewood86 mikewood86:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Bodah Bodah:

kenmore kenmore:

my comments have nothing to do with the military at all... we shouldnt be there.. I hardly lack respect for the military... and you know why... I just think its a useless endeavour..

It isnt a useless endeavour though, at the very least we are fighting the nut-jobs over there and not here....

As far as I am concerned, Canada wasn't even on there hitlist unti'll after we entered Afghanistan. Which is why everybody else was hit, and we wern't. Unless we had super duty security, better then the U.S. and the U.K.'s which we don't.

The terrorist leader even stated in a old video that Canada wasn't meant to be a target, however because of commitment in Afghanistan. We are now on that list.
He also said that if we pulled out now, we won't be added. If we stay, he will attack Canada.

This was a old video, so its pretty much too late to consider that. Anyways, point being. Because Canada spends most of its Military power with UN, instead of what most countries do. Nobody wants Canada dead, or hates Canada. We don't pose as a threat to them either. Before we got involved, no terrorist ever considered Canada as a target so there would be no 'fight over here'.

The logic in this statement is mind boggling. Not to go after terrorists because they might try and come after you is as gutless as is it stupid. Would you not want the police to go after criminals, or just leave them alone because they 'might' not try to harm you? What about other people? What if they do come after you? Or your family? I bet you'd be kicking yourself after something like that happend.

Should we not help allies who are attacked? I would hope we would get the same help we have offered.

We do not spend most of our military power with the U.N. Myth.

We are a western country and therefore we have always been a target.

First of all, you made a spelling error. You should have said 'Not to go after terrorists because they might try and NOT come after you' as I never said to not go after terrorists because they WOULD come after us.

Second of all, if you are a country that is not a target list for terrorist attacks. Your suggestion is to get involved in a war, so you can become one? Yes, that will solve a whole lot. While before Canada never had to worry about being terrorist attacked, because of our involvement in Afghanistan. Now we do. Problem solved right? We went from not being a target, to being a target. Damn, we got so much accomplished in preventing Canada from being attacked

"We do not spend most of our military power with the U.N. Myth."
You might want to re-research that one. Before Afghanistan, all we did was U.N. Peace Keeping missions, nothing else. That is where out military focus was, even with Afghanistan. We still contribute troops to the UN effort.

"We are a western country and therefore we have always been a target."
Lol, that is a really idiotic statement. You assume that they are just targeting western countries but oh wait, why wasn't Canada attacked? You'd think that would be a good target right? While they did the Twin towers, Canada would have been much easier. Why were we left out, as we are western country. Why was a lot of other western countries left out as well? Why was it only the countries they had previous beef with that only got attacked? Obviously its not because they hate them, it's because we're western countries. Your so right lol.

[Bodah]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Bodah Bodah:

kenmore kenmore:

my comments have nothing to do with the military at all... we shouldnt be there.. I hardly lack respect for the military... and you know why... I just think its a useless endeavour..

It isnt a useless endeavour though, at the very least we are fighting the nut-jobs over there and not here....

As far as I am concerned, Canada wasn't even on there hitlist unti'll after we entered Afghanistan. Which is why everybody else was hit, and we wern't. Unless we had super duty security, better then the U.S. and the U.K.'s which we don't.

The terrorist leader even stated in a old video that Canada wasn't meant to be a target, however because of commitment in Afghanistan. We are now on that list.
He also said that if we pulled out now, we won't be added. If we stay, he will attack Canada.

This was a old video, so its pretty much too late to consider that. Anyways, point being. Because Canada spends most of its Military power with UN, instead of what most countries do. Nobody wants Canada dead, or hates Canada. We don't pose as a threat to them either. Before we got involved, no terrorist ever considered Canada as a target so there would be no 'fight over here'.

The difference is that I care about my neighbors and allies, especially when an attack like 911 happens. Too close for me, 4 hours away. I saw no difference in borders or nationality that day obviously you do.

If you think by not going to Afghanistan would of keep us off of the "hitlist" your incredibly naive and a moral coward.

and read riderain post again...

ridenrain ridenrain:

It's already happened twice with Ahmed Ressam, the "The Millennium Bomber" and the Air India bombing of 2001.
This weekend in Surrey, various Sikh groups will celebrate Vaisakhi and the parade will probably include floats and pictures of alleged Air India bombing mastermind Talwinder Singh Parmar. Included in this group will be people wearing shirts and carrying flags of the International Sikh Youth Federation, a group banned in Canada under the Anti-terrorism Act.

This group, like the Tamil Tigers, are very happy to be in Canada, protected by our generous laws and ample charter rights. They have a large and prosperous ethnic base and raise a great deal of funds to fund the fight back home. They have no intention of harming Canadians but I doubt they would have any hesitation if it was in their interests.

[Bacardi4206]

Bodah Bodah:

The difference is that I care about my neighbors and allies, especially when an attack like 911 happens. Too close for me, 4 hours away. I saw no difference in borders or nationality that day obviously you do.

If you think by not going to Afghanistan would of keep us off of the "hitlist" your incredibly naive and a moral coward.

and read riderain post again...

Yeah, You care about them huh? Care about them so much, you would go blindly into a war? Sometimes its best to view something, before you get your hands dirty in it. America got attacked by a terrorist organization, instead of fighting them. We are fighting a entire insurgency, and giving Afghanistan "back there freedom".

It was our duty as a NATO members to attack Al Quada, but we went passed our duty when we got involved in fighting a entire insurgency that in a lot of cases consists of just young kids, who got mixed up in it.

I care about our Alliances, and neighbors but what I do not like is when we just get used to do somebody else's dirty work.

Also, if we diddn't go to Afghanistan. We wouldn't be on the hitlist, the terrorist leader even stated that himself... twice. You just watch to much movies, where terrorists are those immoral people whos goals are to just blow up shit. News flash mate, terrorists may be immoral but they don't just go around blowing shit up. They need a cause for that, and before Afghanistan. Canada never gave them that cause.

I read rederain's post, that is a entirely different arguement. Our arguement is that Canada would not get attacked if we diddn't go to Afghanistan. His arguement is regarding the one where I stated I diddn't think they used Canada as a staging base. Which he apparenly proved me wrong about. His post has nothing to with our arguement so why are you quoting it?

[Johnny_Utah]

Liberals who are Bitching and Whining against Canada's role in Afghanistan wouldn't be against it if they were still in power. Since they are no longer in Power they are willing to use the lives and sacrifices of Canadian Military members and anything else to regain power, or should anyone forget how they used the Canadian Military as a scare tactic against Prime Minister Harper which back fired..

Hypocrisy thy name is Liberal..

[Bodah]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Yeah, You care about them huh? Care about them so much, you would go blindly into a war? Sometimes its best to view something, before you get your hands dirty in it. America got attacked by a terrorist organization, instead of fighting them. We are fighting a entire insurgency, and giving Afghanistan "back there freedom".

Like i've said before if our presence in the middle east attracts the nut-bulls of the world to come and kill infidels, I'd rather fight them over there than here. If you'd like to pretend that people dont want to not kill westerners just because there westerner and non-believers keep your head in the sand if you want, but when you dig your head out the problem will still be there.

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

It was our duty as a NATO members to attack Al Quada, but we went passed our duty when we got involved in fighting a entire insurgency that in a lot of cases consists of just young kids, who got mixed up in it.

Ahh those poor misunderstood children toting ak-47's

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

I care about our Alliances, and neighbors but what I do not like is when we just get used to do somebody else's dirty work.

What you call dirty work I call trying our damnest to make sure no more 911s happen again.

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Also, if we diddn't go to Afghanistan. We wouldn't be on the hitlist, the terrorist leader even stated that himself... twice. You just watch to much movies, where terrorists are those immoral people whos goals are to just blow up shit.

Too late for that now huh, what do you suggest we do pull out and offer a 10,000 goats to the taliban ? Were comitted now, lets finish it.

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

News flash mate,

I'm not your mate

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

terrorists may be immoral but they don't just go around blowing shit up. They need a cause for that.

Ohh I see the Americans had it coming, I believe there is no excuse for terrorist attacks ever where civilians are targets but you beg to differ obviously, just lovely. I think your living in the wrong country.

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

I read rederain's post, that is a entirely different arguement. Our arguement is that Canada would not get attacked if we diddn't go to Afghanistan. His arguement is regarding the one where I stated I diddn't think they used Canada as a staging base. Which he apparenly proved me wrong about. His post has nothing to with our arguement so why are you quoting it?

Point is we have the nutballs living here in our country too, ignore that if you will and keep on supporting them.

[Bacardi4206]

"Like i've said before if our presence in the middle east attracts the nut-bulls of the world to come and kill infidels, I'd rather fight them over there than here. If you'd like to pretend that people dont want to not kill westerners just because there westerner and non-believers keep your head in the sand if you want, but when you dig your head out the problem will still be there."

Nut jobs? Your lack of understanding of there situation shocks me. For starters, there poor. So let's say this, if you were in Canada and you were homeless in a country with no laws and jobs and you were starving, etc. Some dude came up to you and offered you enough cash to survive and what you have to do is take the weapon they give you, and fight the foreign soldiers who are occupying your country. For me, just them occupying my country would be good enough for me to fight them, but if I was starving and homeless and needed money. That would be another good reason.

Secondly, they do it because of our own mistakes. Do you know how many innocent civilians have died because of NATO soldiers, or because we were just there?

Either we kill them in a accidental fire, because they like to hide in populated areas or we drive our APC's in populated areas where terrorists are and they hit us which takes out civilians as well. Just one civilian is family to many, let's say if somebody killed your dad, mom or your entire family and you knew where they are. Would you want to fight them, or kill them? or would just say. That's crazy, I don't want to be a nut-job.

Further more, you got no proof that they just want to kill westerners. You just assume that. However, there was two videos from the Terrorist leader that stated himself that Canada wasn't meant to be a target, but would be if we continued to be in Afghanistan. What does that tell you? He diddn't want to target us, but he would because we were in Afghanistan which means what? He targets people who he has beef with.

Secondly, why was it only countries who have had passed beef with them that got attacked? Obviously there's no connection there, they just diddn't attack them (Even though they are easier targets) because they wanted to attack America, and Britain First?

"Too late for that now huh, what do you suggest we do pull out and offer a 10,000 goats to the taliban ? Were comitted now, lets finish it. "

I never said to pull out? I only said that we probally shouldn't have got in, as we are now future targets for terrorists (Which there have been articles have failed terrorist attempts in Canada) and Iraq is a mess, which will probally be abonded like the other times and Afghanistan is no where near ready as the ANP doesn't do there jobs. When NATO arrives, they pull out thinking it's not there job anymore. ANA works fine, but thats because they were trained by working with NATO soldiers on the field. I wonder how they will work without NATO? Holding themselves up.

As America's elections pass, and as every single canadit has promised to pull out of the war. Wouldn't that be pulling the cork on the war? America has the most troops deployed in the war, and NATO is already struggling finding additional troops to support it. Not to mention the countries that would see the war as a failure because America pulled out, and would pull out themselves.

So basicly, with a high chance of losing this war. We got ourselves involved for what? So we can kill some terrorists, and Insurgents and innocent civilians and become future targets for terrorism?

"Ohh I see the Americans had it coming, I believe there is no excuse for terrorist attacks ever where civilians are targets but you beg to differ obviously, just lovely. I think your living in the wrong country."

I never said America had it coming, I wonder if you put words in other peoples mouths in the other topics you are in. I only said that there is a cause for terrorism. Also you are being a hypocrite with that statement as you think its not fine for western civilians to get killed but you fully support the wars, which involves even more middle eastern civilians constantly getting killed. 9/11 was no where near the civilian casualty rate of both these wars. Not even one of them. You know that American Soldier suicides are very high? As high as they were in Vietnam. Why do you think that is?

"Point is we have the nutballs living here in our country too, ignore that if you will and keep on supporting them."

Supporting them lol? How am I supporting them, by saying it was a mistake to enter Afghanistan?. I think you should re-direct that statement "I think you are living in the wrong country" to your-self. You should be living in America, as the whole "You are either with us, or against us" and "You either support America, or you GTFO" is there thing.

[mikewood86]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

mikewood86 mikewood86:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Bodah Bodah:

kenmore kenmore:

my comments have nothing to do with the military at all... we shouldnt be there.. I hardly lack respect for the military... and you know why... I just think its a useless endeavour..

It isnt a useless endeavour though, at the very least we are fighting the nut-jobs over there and not here....

As far as I am concerned, Canada wasn't even on there hitlist unti'll after we entered Afghanistan. Which is why everybody else was hit, and we wern't. Unless we had super duty security, better then the U.S. and the U.K.'s which we don't.

The terrorist leader even stated in a old video that Canada wasn't meant to be a target, however because of commitment in Afghanistan. We are now on that list.
He also said that if we pulled out now, we won't be added. If we stay, he will attack Canada.

This was a old video, so its pretty much too late to consider that. Anyways, point being. Because Canada spends most of its Military power with UN, instead of what most countries do. Nobody wants Canada dead, or hates Canada. We don't pose as a threat to them either. Before we got involved, no terrorist ever considered Canada as a target so there would be no 'fight over here'.

The logic in this statement is mind boggling. Not to go after terrorists because they might try and come after you is as gutless as is it stupid. Would you not want the police to go after criminals, or just leave them alone because they 'might' not try to harm you? What about other people? What if they do come after you? Or your family? I bet you'd be kicking yourself after something like that happend.

Should we not help allies who are attacked? I would hope we would get the same help we have offered.

We do not spend most of our military power with the U.N. Myth.

We are a western country and therefore we have always been a target.

First of all, you made a spelling error. You should have said 'Not to go after terrorists because they might try and NOT come after you' as I never said to not go after terrorists because they WOULD come after us.

Second of all, if you are a country that is not a target list for terrorist attacks. Your suggestion is to get involved in a war, so you can become one? Yes, that will solve a whole lot. While before Canada never had to worry about being terrorist attacked, because of our involvement in Afghanistan. Now we do. Problem solved right? We went from not being a target, to being a target. Damn, we got so much accomplished in preventing Canada from being attacked

"We do not spend most of our military power with the U.N. Myth."
You might want to re-research that one. Before Afghanistan, all we did was U.N. Peace Keeping missions, nothing else. That is where out military focus was, even with Afghanistan. We still contribute troops to the UN effort.

"We are a western country and therefore we have always been a target."
Lol, that is a really idiotic statement. You assume that they are just targeting western countries but oh wait, why wasn't Canada attacked? You'd think that would be a good target right? While they did the Twin towers, Canada would have been much easier. Why were we left out, as we are western country. Why was a lot of other western countries left out as well? Why was it only the countries they had previous beef with that only got attacked? Obviously its not because they hate them, it's because we're western countries. Your so right lol.

Ok, simple grammar error. This isn't what this is about, but I can see how you need to nit pick to try and bolster yourself up. Don't even get me started on your spelling or grammar because it's borderline grade 3 english. Such as forgetting to putting a question mark (?) after a question. Moving on...

Again, you show flawed logic. I showed you how in my first post, but that wasn't enough. I guess we should have stayed out of the World Wars as well since we became targets only after joining the war. I guess Hitler would have just stopped his war after conqeuring Europe and the rest of Asia, but hey, at least WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TARGETS!!!!!! How selfish of you. Why help anyone? Those are traits of a coward, not a Canadian.

While I couldn't find out how much money we spend with the U.N. and I don't know exactly what budgets cover what, I know we spend approximatley $15 billion in defense of this country. Almost $8 billion on Afghanistan. Now as I said, I don't know what money from our Defense Budget goes to our U.N. commitments or if it is a seperate budget, but I'm sure it isn't over the $8 billion that we have spent on Afghanistan. You would have me believe that over 50% of our defense budget goes towards the U.N.? ***Again, I don't know exactly what budgets cover our U.N. spending, so if someone could provide a link to clear it up, that would be appreciated***

I think we can agree the America is the most hated country in the world. Put yourself in a terrorists shoes. He wants to make a point. He has an oppurtunity to strike his most hated enemy (United States), or strike an enemy he's not that fond of (Canada). Who do you chose to make your point? We are their enemies by assosiation, and their enemies directly.

Research the words "allies, NATO, friend, help, cowardice." Once you learn these, maybe you can understand my points. Until then, I can't and won't take you seriously, as I'm sure very few people do.

[mikewood86]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Bodah Bodah:

The difference is that I care about my neighbors and allies, especially when an attack like 911 happens. Too close for me, 4 hours away. I saw no difference in borders or nationality that day obviously you do.

If you think by not going to Afghanistan would of keep us off of the "hitlist" your incredibly naive and a moral coward.

and read riderain post again...

Yeah, You care about them huh? Care about them so much, you would go blindly into a war? Sometimes its best to view something, before you get your hands dirty in it. America got attacked by a terrorist organization, instead of fighting them. We are fighting a entire insurgency, and giving Afghanistan "back there freedom".

It was our duty as a NATO members to attack Al Quada, but we went passed our duty when we got involved in fighting a entire insurgency that in a lot of cases consists of just young kids, who got mixed up in it.

I care about our Alliances, and neighbors but what I do not like is when we just get used to do somebody else's dirty work.

Also, if we diddn't go to Afghanistan. We wouldn't be on the hitlist, the terrorist leader even stated that himself... twice. You just watch to much movies, where terrorists are those immoral people whos goals are to just blow up shit. News flash mate, terrorists may be immoral but they don't just go around blowing shit up. They need a cause for that, and before Afghanistan. Canada never gave them that cause.

I read rederain's post, that is a entirely different arguement. Our arguement is that Canada would not get attacked if we diddn't go to Afghanistan. His arguement is regarding the one where I stated I diddn't think they used Canada as a staging base. Which he apparenly proved me wrong about. His post has nothing to with our arguement so why are you quoting it?

Oh, so the "terrorist leader" said it would be ok. I guess we should trust the "terrorist leader" Oh he said it twice now? Now he's really credible. You know what, probably more credible than you at this point.

Also, you say terrorists are immoral for "blowing shit up," but at the same time you say they aren't immoral because they have a CAUSE for blowing shit up. Having morals and a cause are pretty much one and the same. You discredit yourself more and more every time you post. I love it.

[kenmore]

Harper earned international respect? fuck most of the world dont know who he is.. they think M.Chretien is still prime minister and most americans think its prime minister poutine....

[RUEZ]

kenmore kenmore:

Harper earned international respect? fuck most of the world dont know who he is.. they think M.Chretien is still prime minister and most americans think its prime minister poutine....

You know what most of the world thinks?

[kenmore]

sure do... talked to them yesterday....

[kenmore]

am I annoying you? I will keep up the good work...