[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

stratos stratos:

Then I am sure you would be for de-funding or at least reduction through prevention and exclusion for abortion. Their body their right their choice just like the hypothetical 700lbs guy. It's a Health Issue thus same privileges and or lack of them should apply.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Just taking your statement and applying it to another Health Issue. Yet after showing me the Canadian Supreme Court ruling I can see where you can and do differentiate between the two.

No, you were putting words in my mouth. "I am sure you would be for". . .

Anytime anyone decides to speak for me, they are usually wrong. 'Abortion' is none of my business, unless it involves my wife. Full stop.

[stratos]

Then why is another persons eating habit any of your business?

[stratos]

$1:

No, you were putting words in my mouth. "I am sure you would be for". . .

I said that because you previous statement in regards to reducing the tax use for them. If you are willing to do that because someone is 700lbs then why not for all other medical expenditures that were caused by that persons habits and or disregard for personal well being and health.

[raydan]

stratos stratos:

Then why is another persons eating habit any of your business?

If it's bad, I guess it's like smoking or excessive drinking or drug use... those excesses have a large cost for society.

[stratos]

raydan raydan:

stratos stratos:

Then why is another persons eating habit any of your business?

If it's bad, I guess it's like smoking or excessive drinking or drug use... those excesses have a large cost for society.

So now we will apply morality to certain things but not others. Who's Morality will be the one we follow? Society as a whole is not of the same moral opinion when it comes to certain matters so who decides then? Government? Governments in the case of Western Society for the most part is supposed to represent the will of the people when the people are divided we are supposed to go to the law of the land. Law says health care for everyone in Canada.

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

Then why is another persons eating habit any of your business?

It isn't, until those habits start costing me, the taxpayer, money.

It they are willing to pay for private treatment for their life choices, then I don't care.

stratos stratos:

$1:

No, you were putting words in my mouth. "I am sure you would be for". . .

I said that because you previous statement in regards to reducing the tax use for them. If you are willing to do that because someone is 700lbs then why not for all other medical expenditures that were caused by that persons habits and or disregard for personal well being and health.

They are not equivalent. In Llama's scenario, it's a personal choice to knowingly be obese and cost the system money. With abortion, it's a right. (And none of my concern)

Same as if someone broke a leg riding motorcycles off road. It's a personal choice, but it's also an accident, not a lifestyle choice. They didn't choose to break a leg and cost the system intentionally. They are using the system as intended. Or if they get cancer and need treatment. That is what the system is for.

But shouldn't that system also have the ability to reduce cost by preventing what can be prevented? Taxes on tobacco to reduce cancer. Taxes on alcohol to reduce liver, throat, stomach and kidney disease. Taxes on sugar to reduce obesity that leads to cancer, heart disease and stroke.

[raydan]

stratos stratos:

raydan raydan:

stratos stratos:

Then why is another persons eating habit any of your business?

If it's bad, I guess it's like smoking or excessive drinking or drug use... those excesses have a large cost for society.

So now we will apply morality to certain things but not others. Who's Morality will be the one we follow? Society as a whole is not of the same moral opinion when it comes to certain matters so who decides then? Government? Governments in the case of Western Society for the most part is supposed to represent the will of the people when the people are divided we are supposed to go to the law of the land. Law says health care for everyone in Canada.

Has nothing to do with morality and all to do with costs. I don't care if someone does any of those activities, but when we have to pay him welfare or large medical costs because of those activities, it's coming out of the pockets of those of us who don't partake.

You can add dangerous sports or activities to that list.

[llama66]

$1:

Again, I advocated for removing the subsidies on producing the problem.

Totally for that, taxing our way into heath is fucking bullshit.

[bootlegga]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Friendly PSA to any guy between 30 and 50 here (kidney stone high risk group): Add a slice of lemon to your water, because the citric acid in lemons helps prevent stones. You can also make homemade fresh squeezed lemonade using honey instead of sugar.

Protip: Blue Agave syrup has a lower glycemic index than sugar or honey.

I make a lot of David's Teas into Iced Tea during the summer months. Adding Agave while still hot helps it mix quickly.

I mentioned honey because it is a natural sweetener that isn't as processed as most sugar is, but blue agave would certainly work. I've tried Blue agave syrup before and I actually prefer honey, especially the flavoured honeys from Beary Beary Honey.

https://bearyberryhoney.com/

Black raspberry, key lime and a couple others are .

[housewife]

Canada’s system isn’t based on prevention. No one looks at cause for a plethora of problems why treat with Physiotherapy something we can operate on just cause the operation will fail or cause problems in a large number of cases but who cares. As for weight there’s a list of surgeries that will not be done unless it’s a medical emergency. So someone overweight with a hernia can’t get it fixed unless they lose weight or something really bad happens. Oh and when something really bad happens it will cost more and has more risks.

Teaching people how to cook would help. A friend volunteers at a food bank they have problems giving away that has to be cooked that’s not like pizza or the like. It’s actually really hard to convince someone who doesn’t really cook that pot roast is easy. Mine you they also don’t believe pancakes or biscuits are possible without a box. Or long grain rice takes the same amount of time as minute rice and tastes better IMO.

[bootlegga]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

llama66 llama66:

Why should the government tell me how to live. It's my body. If I want to have a 4l big gulp or 30 Big Mac's, that's MY decision. This is the downside to Social Democracy.

Go crazy.

But then, pay for the treatment through a private facility yourself too.

If we had a for-profit healthcare system like the US, then I'd agree with you. But we don't, so the question becomes, where do we draw the line?

Do we exclude smokers from public healthcare?

Do we exclude drinkers from public healthcare?

Do we exclude people who speed from public healthcare?

Do we exclude people who don't wear their seatbelts from public healthcare?

Do we exclude people who don't wear a helmet on a motorcycle or ATV from public healthcare?

Do we exclude people who don't exercise three times per week from public healthcare?

Do we exclude people who got adult onset diabetes ATV from public healthcare?

And so on. If we excluded people who needed healthcare because of their own bad habits, we'd only need to about 20% of the people we do now.

As the saying goes, you can't legislate stupidity.

What our healthcare system needs to do better is preventative healthcare, and less dealing with people's poor choices.

[DrCaleb]

bootlegga bootlegga:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

llama66 llama66:

Why should the government tell me how to live. It's my body. If I want to have a 4l big gulp or 30 Big Mac's, that's MY decision. This is the downside to Social Democracy.

Go crazy.

But then, pay for the treatment through a private facility yourself too.

If we had a for-profit healthcare system like the US, then I'd agree with you. But we don't, so the question becomes, where do we draw the line?

Do we exclude smokers from public healthcare?

Do we exclude drinkers from public healthcare?

Do we exclude people who speed from public healthcare?

Do we exclude people who don't wear their seatbelts from public healthcare?

Do we exclude people who don't wear a helmet on a motorcycle or ATV from public healthcare?

Do we exclude people who don't exercise three times per week from public healthcare?

Do we exclude people who got adult onset diabetes ATV from public healthcare?

And so on. If we excluded people who needed healthcare because of their own bad habits, we'd only need to about 20% of the people we do now.

As the saying goes, you can't legislate stupidity.

What our healthcare system needs to do better is preventative healthcare, and less dealing with people's poor choices.

We are just practicing our hypothetical.

We know people can't be excluded because of life choices.

And you might (not) be surprised at the number of classes on nutrition and such that the healthcare system will provide for you, free of charge. I say "not" to you Boots because you are like me and have probably already taken some of them. I mean the public in general might not know about them, but there are 1 day classes on reading package nutrition labels, food choices, planning meals . . . quite a bit of preventative things that you can attend, but people don't know they exist.

https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/nu ... e2914.aspx

[Tricks]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Do we exclude smokers from public healthcare?

Taxed.

$1:

Do we exclude drinkers from public healthcare?

Taxed.

$1:

Do we exclude people who speed from public healthcare?

Fines.

$1:

Do we exclude people who don't wear their seatbelts from public healthcare?

Fines

$1:

Do we exclude people who don't wear a helmet on a motorcycle or ATV from public healthcare?

Fines

$1:

Do we exclude people who don't exercise three times per week from public healthcare?

Not a requirement to not be 700 lbs

$1:

Do we exclude people who got adult onset diabetes ATV from public healthcare?

Generally (not always) caused by shitty habits.

So we already in some way gather funds from people who do things that might cause a strain on the system.

[raydan]

housewife housewife:

Teaching people how to cook would help. A friend volunteers at a food bank they have problems giving away that has to be cooked that’s not like pizza or the like. It’s actually really hard to convince someone who doesn’t really cook that pot roast is easy. Mine you they also don’t believe pancakes or biscuits are possible without a box. Or long grain rice takes the same amount of time as minute rice and tastes better IMO.

Do they still have cooking classes in high school or has that gone down the drain for lack of money?

I remember taking "Senior Boys Cooking" in 11th grade and we would feed the teachers at lunch with what we made... but I only took the option because the teacher was hot.

[DrCaleb]

raydan raydan:

housewife housewife:

Teaching people how to cook would help. A friend volunteers at a food bank they have problems giving away that has to be cooked that’s not like pizza or the like. It’s actually really hard to convince someone who doesn’t really cook that pot roast is easy. Mine you they also don’t believe pancakes or biscuits are possible without a box. Or long grain rice takes the same amount of time as minute rice and tastes better IMO.

Do they still have cooking classes in high school or has that gone down the drain for lack of money?

I remember taking "Senior Boys Cooking" in 11th grade and we would feed the teachers at lunch with what we made... but I only took the option because the teacher was hot.

Junior High 'Home Economics' classes are where I learnt to cook and sew. Skills I still use.