[BRAH]

Justin Trudeau driving you home be like.

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

So he really is all image, no substance?

Wouldn't this be the opposite, doing something despite the optics?

You think that was his calculation here? "I'm going to look like a dick, but it's the right thing to do, damn it." The theory I heard on CBC is the exact opposite, that he thought it would make him look in charge. But as we saw after the event, he was truly pissed. I don't think he was thinking at all.

[ShepherdsDog]

I guess Ms. Brosseau, Ms. Ashton and Mr. Mulcair should avoid any and all crowds if they consider what PM Pufnstuf did an elbow or assault. I've received more physical contact Christmas or even grocery shopping in Canadian stores. They'd have a melt down trying to deal with Chinese crowds. It's their comments and overblown theatrics that is the real embarrassment to Canada's parliament.

[Lemmy]

andyt andyt:

You think that was his calculation here? "I'm going to look like a dick, but it's the right thing to do, damn it." The theory I heard on CBC is the exact opposite, that he thought it would make him look in charge. But as we saw after the event, he was truly pissed. I don't think he was thinking at all.

You already hit the nail on the head, andy, when you said "histrionics aside". Well, except for the "aside" part because that's all this is. But no, I don't think it was calculated. If it was, it would be calculated to take the spotlight off Mrs. Trudeau, but I think it was just JT deciding that he was gonna get shit done and tried to cut through, literally, the political grandstanding that was delaying things. Back before we all became pussified by political correctness, that was what we expected in our leaders.

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I guess Ms. Brosseau, Ms. Ashton and Mr. Mulcair should avoid any and all crowds if they consider what PM Pufnstuf did an elbow or assault. I've received more physical contact Christmas or even grocery shopping in Canadian stores. They'd have a melt down trying to deal with Chinese crowds. It's their comments and overblown theatrics that is the real embarrassment to Canada's parliament.

Yep. And Trudeau's apology was also an embarrassment. I'd rather he'd said "Look, if you don't want an elbow in the tit, sit your goddamn ass down in your seat and do your job."

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Not exactly a molehill Lemmy. Physical contact in Parliament is strictly forbidden, even if unintentional. That said, the Conservative whip and NDP were playing games to stall parliament. Trudeau should not have touched the conservative whip, but then again, the Liberals have a majority and the opposition parties should quit being all butthurt about that.

Yes, but look at the timing of the incident. This is shortly after the Liberal House Speaker gave himself some serious power that no other speaker has had. He has the power to prevent the Opposition from putting forward legislation. He has the power to prevent the Opposition from filibustering.
Essentially, it makes anyone in the House who isn't a member of the ruling party into an audience member instead of a participant.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I guess Ms. Brosseau, Ms. Ashton and Mr. Mulcair should avoid any and all crowds if they consider what PM Pufnstuf did an elbow or assault. I've received more physical contact Christmas or even grocery shopping in Canadian stores. They'd have a melt down trying to deal with Chinese crowds. It's their comments and overblown theatrics that is the real embarrassment to Canada's parliament.

The simple fact is, the NDP MP who got elbowed, got elbowed while Trudeau was trying to get all physical with the Conservative Whip. It may have been unintentional but it was still a direct result of his extremely unprofessional actions as PM.
See, there's a difference between incidental contact made in a crowded area and making physical contact with someone because you're acting like a complete jackass. One is an accident, the other is a direct result of one's actions.

[andyt]

I believe they withdrew that bill after "elbowgate."

[Thanos]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I guess Ms. Brosseau, Ms. Ashton and Mr. Mulcair should avoid any and all crowds if they consider what PM Pufnstuf did an elbow or assault. I've received more physical contact Christmas or even grocery shopping in Canadian stores. They'd have a melt down trying to deal with Chinese crowds. It's their comments and overblown theatrics that is the real embarrassment to Canada's parliament.

Goes against a long-standing Canadian political tradition, all the way back to the elder Trudeau, for politicians to portray themselves as the biggest most hyper-sensitive pussies they can be. Seriously, we probably haven't heard a politician in this country say "let's go kick some ass" since World War Two.

[Lemmy]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The simple fact is, the NDP MP who got elbowed, got elbowed while Trudeau was trying to get all physical with the Conservative Whip.

Wrong. He wasn't "getting physical" with the whip, he was trying to help him get through the NDP blockade! You'd call helping an old lady across the street "trying to get all physical"?

[andyt]

The whip is an old lady? Just a pussy that needs a tough guy like JT to help him out?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

So he really is all image, no substance?

Wouldn't this be the opposite, doing something despite the optics?

What, by committing assault? If you say so, I guess. Yeah, nothing like some petulant shit head getting all cranky and assaulting people in Parliament when he doesn't get his way right away.

[peck420]

Filibustering is the epitome of political self entitlement...and should have had limits placed on it a long ass time ago.

Nothing like holding up government business, on tax payer dime no less, for no other reason than to hear your own voice.

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

You already hit the nail on the head, andy, when you said "histrionics aside". Well, except for the "aside" part because that's all this is. But no, I don't think it was calculated. If it was, it would be calculated to take the spotlight off Mrs. Trudeau, but I think it was just JT deciding that he was gonna get shit done and tried to cut through, literally, the political grandstanding that was delaying things. Back before we all became pussified by political correctness, that was what we expected in our leaders.

That is not what we expect of our leaders.

We expect our leaders and government to allow debate in the House and not create new rules to create new powers to prevent that debate. We should also expect our leaders to act accordingly in the HOC. Something JT has had numerous issues with during his time as MP and now PM.

In the last 6 months, Trudeau and his team have shut down debate on 4 separate bills. It doesn't matter which party does it, it's not right.

The action taken by the opposition came after debate was shut down on 4 bills and House Leader Dominic LeBlanc gave notice that he would bring in a motion that would give the Liberals new and largely unchecked power to control the business of the Commons.

This was an issue of things not going JT's way and he wanted it done now, and his way.

[andyt]

Maybe Lemmy et al are onto something. If most of Canada supports JT here, we can see Parliament becoming the WWF. More fun to watch than the verbal bullshit they get up to now. Rope off the center aisle, and have at er. Or fuck that, go full Thunderdome. Two men enter, one man leaves.

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The simple fact is, the NDP MP who got elbowed, got elbowed while Trudeau was trying to get all physical with the Conservative Whip.

Wrong. He wasn't "getting physical" with the whip, he was trying to help him get through the NDP blockade! You'd call helping an old lady across the street "trying to get all physical"?

Wow, the lengths you'll go.

He wasn't "helping" anyone but his own agenda. There's ZERO reason for him to put his hands on anyone.

You're making more excuses for his actions that he is.