[xerxes]

And let's face facts. Where there are comprehensive sex ed programs in place, teen pregnancy and STD rates go down and stay down.

You're fixated on this one pedophile and have automatically concluded that his only goal was to take his pedophilia and center Ontario's revised sex ed curriculum around that. From what we've seen, that's not the case.

People like that often lead compartmentalized lives and it's entirely possible that his input on the new curriculum was done without thinking of his sexual attractions to children.

[sandorski]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

sandorski sandorski:

Again, I don't doubt he had a part. Are you now implying that his "Coaching" in the development of the Curriculum is coaching kids into sex?

I'm glad you don't doubt he had a part, because he did, and that's what this thread is actually about.

New evidence suggests he coached on the Curriculum, was invited to camps where the production of the curriculum was taking place, was asked for advice and gave it to the people putting the curriculum together.

Now as to his "coaching". This is interesting below. It's from a blogger who has followed the whole trial by attending the court. Only him and sun reporter Faith Goldy can make that brag. The rest of Ontario's media heroes were hoping the story would go away. It didn't.

But here's the interesting bit...

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The Crown continued that his actions could be interpreted as simply trying to get sexual gratification from the chat, but the problem is that he also sent an image to the officer, illustrating his advice. This is not just dirty talk – it also includes coaching about how to commit sexual offense.

http://www.blogwrath.com/child-abuse/be ... ugly/6999/

So I'm not implying. I'm telling you Benjamin Levin liked to coach. He liked to coach what he thought was a sexual submissive on how to groom her children for what he suggested might be his later use. He liked to coach the creators of Ontario's "Progressive" new sex curriculum on how to make children of the province ready for the world of sex.

Are you just a troll or are you just that easily triggered? Serious question.

[N_Fiddledog]

sandorski sandorski:

Are you just a troll or are you just that easily triggered? Serious question.

Get lost you little twerp; following me around with your little three word insults. You're not bright enough to be a troll, or I'd call you one right back. And even so, I'd be more right than you are if I did.

[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

And let's face facts. Where there are comprehensive sex ed programs in place, teen pregnancy and STD rates go down and stay down.

Didn't Ontario already have one? What are they adding here that you think they need?

[xerxes]

From what I've read, the big thing IMO is the digital safety component. Too many teens don't realise that pictures on the internet are forever and don't think that anyone else will ever see what's supposed to be private.

[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

From what I've read, the big thing IMO is the digital safety component. Too many teens don't realise that pictures on the internet are forever and don't think that anyone else will ever see what's supposed to be private.

Really? That's it? And it took 326 pages, 10 years and teaching 6 year olds to say vulva, to accomplish that?

Somehow, I don't think the controversy over this new curriculum concerns the "digital safety component" though. Do you?

[sandorski]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

sandorski sandorski:

Are you just a troll or are you just that easily triggered? Serious question.

Get lost you little twerp; following me around with your little three word insults. You're not bright enough to be a troll, or I'd call you one right back. And even so, I'd be more right than you are if I did.

Your whole argument seems to centre around the word "Coach". You have attempted to draw one conclusion based upon that word based upon 2 unrelated usages. I find it quite perplexing that anyone could make such an argument and expect anyone else to draw the same conclusion you are drawing.

So again, giving you the opportunity to redeem yourself, are you a troll or easily triggered?

[martin14]

xerxes xerxes:

And let's face facts. Where there are comprehensive sex ed programs in place, teen pregnancy and STD rates go down and stay down.

You're fixated on this one pedophile and have automatically concluded that his only goal was to take his pedophilia and center Ontario's revised sex ed curriculum around that. From what we've seen, that's not the case.

People like that often lead compartmentalized lives and it's entirely possible that his input on the new curriculum was done without thinking of his sexual attractions to children.

We haven't "seen" anything, the program is only starting.

I'm amazed that you so easily brush off the idea that a known and convicted pedo wouldn't try to slide
in a little bit of his predation into a sex ed program for children, even by 'accident'.

All I'm looking for if the people who organized this sent ONE email to the Labour child rape
enablers in the UK, and you can forget everything about kids being safe.

They will be groomed, as we have seen ample evidence of, and the UK is only starting
to look at it.


This doesn't even want to make you think about maybe we should a second look review of the
program ?

Well, if that doesn't make you think, I guess nothing will.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

fifeboy fifeboy:

My grand daughter is in Gr.8 and I don't see anything wrong with what is done here. Nobody is demanding kids take part in sex and talking about it isn't "grooming."

No nobody is "demanding" that, but that wasn't the question.

The question was:

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Can you show me where, in the curriculum, it says that children "should plan on sexual activity that is by statute illegal."

Section C1.4 involves, "making a personal
plan [to] influence decisions you may choose to make about sexual activity?"

You're not supposed to be "influencing" 12 and 13 year olds to make decisions about sexual activity. The age of consent for sexual activity in Canada is 16 years old.

They don't need to make a "personal plan" on how to conduct their sexual activity.

I understand why Ben Levin wants them to have one, but why do you?

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“How would thinking about your personal limits and making a personal
plan influence decisions you may choose to make about sexual activity?”

In"thinking" about making a personal plan that would eventually lead to making a decision about sexual activity they are asked to take into consideration

$1:

legal concerns; awareness of health risks, including risk of STIs
and blood-borne infections; concerns about risk of pregnancy; use of alcohol or drugs; personal or family
values; religious beliefs; cultural teachings

I realize this is one of the far rights active talking points, but give it a break.

And, about my grand daughter to have many, many personal plans, from what highschool to go to, how long she will stay in gymnastics and in what capacity and what she wants to do in the future, any and all of these are a good idea. Having a personal plan to deal with the future of her personal live, yep, good idea.

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[andyt]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Forcing the Lords Prayer won't help instill preventative morals either, those kind of schools seem to always be the stereotypical place for exploding pregnancy rates among teenagers...

Actually that's where teaching them anal comes in, since apparently a lot of good girls have anal sex so they can say they are still a virgin.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Forcing the Lords Prayer won't help instill preventative morals either, those kind of schools seem to always be the stereotypical place for exploding pregnancy rates among teenagers...

Actually that's where teaching them anal comes in, since apparently a lot of good girls have anal sex so they can say they are still a virgin.

You spend wayyyy too time with Muslims.

[Unsound]

martin14 martin14:

andyt andyt:

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Forcing the Lords Prayer won't help instill preventative morals either, those kind of schools seem to always be the stereotypical place for exploding pregnancy rates among teenagers...

Actually that's where teaching them anal comes in, since apparently a lot of good girls have anal sex so they can say they are still a virgin.

You spend wayyyy too time with Muslims.

Haha, Catholics my friend.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Actually that's where teaching them anal comes in, since apparently a lot of good girls have anal sex so they can say they are still a virgin.

Not surprising that you'd be familiar with this technique.

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