[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I read somewhere CO2 killed the Loch ness monster.

Do you have a reference for that?

[N_Fiddledog]

fifeboy fifeboy:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I read somewhere CO2 killed the Loch ness monster.

Do you have a reference for that?

Here you go. It's a list of links. Nessy's on there.

A (Not Quite) Complete List Of Things SupposedlyCaused By Global Warming


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[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

fifeboy fifeboy:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I read somewhere CO2 killed the Loch ness monster.

Do you have a reference for that?

Here you go. It's a list of links. Nessy's on there.

A (Not Quite) Complete List Of Things SupposedlyCaused By Global Warming


Pssst...

F3 or Ctrl F

Robert Rines eh! Gee dog, from you I was expecting something at least from Woods Hole or at least MIT. I'm crestfallen.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

As I recall your last post was shrieking about some "serious human die-back", as a result of "spewing atmospheric carbon".

If I understand that as meaning some sort of crisis or catastrophe, nothing in your links above say anything like that is going to happen.

I think all he's talking about is the ability of plants like corn to store higher concentrations of CO2 in Sheath cells.

http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Biology/botf99 ... ark/c4.htm

It's nothing to worry about. Corn is doing fine in this time of elevated CO2.

$1:

The scientists gathered global production statistics for four leading crops--corn, wheat, rice and soybeans--that together represent about 64 percent of all calories consumed worldwide.

They found that production of these crops in the Northern Hemisphere has more than doubled since 1961

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 142211.htm

I'll tell you what though, if you're really worried the demon CO2 is going to kill your future corn, talk Barrack Obama into halting Al Gore's idiotic policy of turning corn into fuel. You'll have more corn than you know what to do with. And when you get him on the line ask him why I have to pay extra to have that ethanol crap taken out of my gas at the pump.

For the exact same reason they charged more for NOT putting lead into fuel as an additive back in the '70s, because they can.
As for the rest of your post, you can simmer down a bit. Turns out you don't need the edible part of the plant at all to make ethanol. When you harvest a field of corn, all the shit that's left over is good enough for producing ethanol. Turns out we can double-end almost any field crop growth for food AND fuel at the same time without losing ANY food growing capacity.

If you want more corn than you know what to do with, cut way back on the friggin' cattle ranches hacked out of the rain forests. Then we wouldn't have to waste so much arable land on livestock feed. The fast food industry can suck it up. North America needs another McDonalds, BK, Wendy's, Harvey's, Ardee's, Hardees, Krystal ad nauseum about as much as we need more crack and meth.

[N_Fiddledog]

I could be using outdated information to support what I believe about corn to ethanol.

I'm remembering when this was state of the art...

$1:

More than one-third of our corn crop is used to feed livestock. Another 13 percent is exported, much of it to feed livestock as well. Another 40 percent is used to produce ethanol. The remainder goes toward food and beverage production.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/opini ... .html?_r=0

I used to read about what a mistake it was using food for fuel. I used to see the complaint all over the place.

Are you telling me that's changed?

I remember hearing about how they were going to save the world by converting switchgrass to ethanol. The last I heard though that wasn't economically viable. They needed to innovate. Have they?

I do remember reading enough that I specifically got the idea it was necessary to use the fruit of the corn. The ease of the sugars to ethanol, or something. Weren't the Brazilians doing ethanol conversion with sugar cane?

You're saying they just need the cellulose from the stalk and stems now, right? Cool. Got a link to more detail on that?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I could be using outdated information to support what I believe about corn to ethanol.

I'm remembering when this was state of the art...

$1:

More than one-third of our corn crop is used to feed livestock. Another 13 percent is exported, much of it to feed livestock as well. Another 40 percent is used to produce ethanol. The remainder goes toward food and beverage production.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/opini ... .html?_r=0

I used to read about what a mistake it was using food for fuel. I used to see the complaint all over the place.

Are you telling me that's changed?

I remember hearing about how they were going to save the world by converting switchgrass to ethanol. The last I heard though that wasn't economically viable. They needed to innovate. Have they?

I do remember reading enough that I specifically got the idea it was necessary to use the fruit of the corn. The ease of the sugars to ethanol, or something. Weren't the Brazilians doing ethanol conversion with sugar cane?

You're saying they just need the cellulose from the stalk and stems now, right? Cool. Got a link to more detail on that?

Sorry no link. It was something I saw, not something I read. It was just fairly recently that they figured out how to do it more efficiently so that it could be economically viable.