[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

We've been threatened with attacks like this for 13 years and all the naysayers and deniers kept saying was that it wouldn't or couldn't happen to peace loving, everyone's welcome Canada so we should just relax.

Well, given the recent spate of deadly incidents it's apparent they were once again 100% wrong and now that we've allowed these people to either legally enter or return to Canada and carryout their jihad, it's likely just started.

Because we would rather worry about offending the constitutional rights of these terrorists than the safety of our citizens we basically did nothing to alleviate the threats. So, we as a country have to bear alot of the responsibility for the needless deaths that are occurring now.

If you think these are one off incidents and we shouldn't be disturbed about them, then I guess I'm guilty as charged of being to easily disturbed.

RIP to the Fallen Soldiers.

1) Nobody said it wouldn't or couldn't happen. But you should relax nonetheless and not give these terrorists what they want, which is mass hysteria and irrational fear. 2 amateur attacks in 13 years with 2 fatalities: we are not on the verge of extinction here. In fact if you look at all the ways Canadians kill each other on a daily basis, this doesn't even register as threat to the safety of our citizens. You're far more likely to be gunned down in the workplace by a disgruntled co-worker with a semi-automatic weapon and yet those killing sprees never seem to generate the same hysteria as this idiot whose elaborate and sophisticated terror plot consisted of just hitting someone with his car.

2) Regarding your comments about letting people into Canada, you must have missed the fact the NEITHER of the 2 attackers was a foreigner or had ever been overseas. In fact, both were White, Christian, native-born Canadians who recently converted.

By being pissed off I'm giving the terrorists what they want? Here's a news flash they got what they wanted, 2 dead servicemen. They could give a shit about how you or I feel and all they want are results to try and affect Canada's foreign policy with regards to their actions abroad but, in my case there's a distinct difference between anger and fear so I suggest you don't suppose to tell me what I'm thinking or feeling.

The fact remains that a large group of people have been saying since Afghanistan that it probably wouldn't happen in Canada but when it was pointed out to them that we were on the Terrorist hit list, it was laughed off because people assumed that the US and Great Briton would be attacked but we were so small and insignificant militarily that they wouldn't bother with us. How times change.

Sorry but that Canada isn't big enough to worry about shipped sailed in 2006 and even now you're claim that there has only been 2 fatalities and 2 attacks in 12 years diminishes the importance of these two "successful" attacks. But, I do appreciate you're attempt to rationalize the situation by saying Canadians kill more Canadians than terrorists because that makes people feel safe from terror, unless of course you're wearing a Military Uniform then all bets are off.


As for the two assholes who committed these acts of terror, they may have been born and raised in Canada but if I was to hazard a guess it'd be that they got alot of help in their conversion to Islam by some of those same people we let into the country because as far as I know you can't become a Muslim by taking an online course and the internet religious indoctrination doesn't have quite the same appeal for martyrdom as the local Imam has.

[andyt]

No, what people have been saying is that it is utter bullshit to say "if we don't fight them there we'll fight them over here." We did fight them over there, seems we're still going to have to fight them over here. Of course the fact that the Afghan Taliban have absolutely nothing to do with what's going on here I'm sure does't register for you at all, since for you they're all the same. I guess we should have just kept fighting them over there until they were all dead. Or our soldiers were all dead, one or the other.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

No, what people have been saying is that it is utter bullshit to say "if we don't fight them there we'll fight them over here." We did fight them over there, seems we're still going to have to fight them over here. Of course the fact that the Afghan Taliban have absolutely nothing to do with what's going on here I'm sure does't register for you at all, since for you they're all the same. I guess we should have just kept fighting them over there until they were all dead. Or our soldiers were all dead, one or the other.

The Americans were the ones saying if we don't fight them over there we'll be fighting them over here not us, so quit trying lump the two countries and wars into one giant western world Crusade against Islam because that's just a poor attempt to explain away the actions of the radicals. If this video is even 1/10th true then it wouldn't have made one bit of difference whether the Americans had gone to Iraq, stayed in Iraq or pulled out of Iraq or us in Afghanistan.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/australian ... ate-video/

Remember that Chretien sent Canadian troops to Afghanistan to secure for the Afghani's a form of freedom and democracy which they never had and without reservations I'll be the first to admit that despite trying it 2 different ways we failed miserably but, our intentions were good even if you don't think so.

As for thinking they're all alike, no I don't. There are varying degrees of insanity and ISIS is at the top of the crazy as shithouse rats list, the Taliban much farther down. But, crazy is still crazy and if you can't see that radical Islam is still radical Islam then you're the one barking up the wrong tree.

As for the other adherents of Islam who aren't bombing, kidnapping, murdering, raping or conquering, I don't hold any animosity towards them at the moment and I'm willing to live and let live till they show whether they want that or, if they just want me and my family to become another of their religious conquests.

[BeaverFever]

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By being pissed off I'm giving the terrorists what they want? Here's a news flash they got what they wanted, 2 dead servicemen

No, how can you not see that you've been fooled? What terrorists want is for you to give them credibility and respect, and that is exactly what you do when flap your arms in hysterics and scream that you're about to die every time one of them launches one of these ham-handed suicide attacks.

If I throw a spitball at the biggest, toughest kid in school and he starts crying that he's afraid for his life, then people are going to think I'm bad and tough, even if in reality I can't fight my way out of a wet paper bag. When we pretend that ISIS/Al Qaeda poses the same threat to us as the Soviet Union during the height of the Cold War, and we start crying that we're afraid for our lives, we flatter them.

You hear me? YOU FLATTER THEM. STOP FLATTERING THEM. Your flattery only empowers them.

I mean, the Virginia Tech gunman, the Sandy Hook shooter, Ecole Polytechnique....and just about every other recent public attacker were better planned and better armed than both of these local idiots combined. It's tragic for the 2 soldiers that died but these two so-called terrorists are pathetic fucking jokes. And you're a joke if your'e scared by them.

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as I know you can't become a Muslim by taking an online course

What do you imagine, that there's some kind of official certificate of Muslimism that only comes from a certain authority? Anyone can claim to be a muslim, it's not like you have to write a test or get a degree of something. You could go around telling people you're a muslim right now, it would barely be less of a factual statement than if Ossama bin Laden were saying it. You could just say that you're a muslim who believes its ok to eat pork, drink booze and interpret texts liberally.

[andyt]

There was at least one Cdn soldier on here saying exactly that. Penetrator

I would have hoped that Chretien sent our troops to Astan to help defeat an enemy that had attacked an ally. Ie Al Qaeda. Once Bush took his eye off the ball, our mission became bullshit and we should have gone home.

If the US had stayed out of Iraq, things would have been radically different. Saddam would still be keeping the Islamists down, Al Qaeda in Iraq would not have come into existence, which became ISIS. So we probably wouldn't be facing what we are facing now. And ISIS moved into Syria - no Isis, likely no syrian revolution either.


But, there would still be Islamists in the world, and they would have still been trying to do damage to any Western country, including Canada. so who knows how things would look now. These guys are getting radicalized via the internet. That was happening before ISIS became prominent, likely keep happening even if ISIS is put down.

As for them being all alike, it's not about how crazy, but what their aims are. The Taliban are focused on Astan and Pstan, they've never shown any inclination to take it to the West. ISIS, otoh, is whole different kettle of fish, Not a bunch of medieval Taliban, but a very modern horror that uses very modern methods to achieve it's aims. We're going to have to be much smarter to counter them.

why were the cops so surprised if they were watching these two guys? Why was the BC legislature warned (by the feds, I believe) to be on alert, but Parliament seems to have been totally unprepared? The people who really seem to be thinking it can't happen here seem to be the ones in charge. Guess this will wake them up.

[Thanos]

The main problem, that an alien and hostile sectarian ideology that's entirely incapable of meshing with Western society was allowed by social liberals to immigrate and take root here, will never be solved. This is a permanent problem for us and for all the generations that will follow. The last couple of days have most likely merely been the beginning, and not isolated incidents. There is no solution, except for the obvious one most of us are capable of even conceiving, much less stepping up and doing.

[Thanos]

When the shock fades and the machinery of moral equivalence and leftist relativism fully kick into high gear, the natural reflex of those who have put Canada into this position with their failed policies and social theories can be accurately summed up like this:



"Yep, we're fucked"

- W. Axel Rose

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

There was at least one Cdn soldier on here saying exactly that. Penetrator

I would have hoped that Chretien sent our troops to Astan to help defeat an enemy that had attacked an ally. Ie Al Qaeda. Once Bush took his eye off the ball, our mission became bullshit and we should have gone home.

If the US had stayed out of Iraq, things would have been radically different. Saddam would still be keeping the Islamists down, Al Qaeda in Iraq would not have come into existence, which became ISIS. So we probably wouldn't be facing what we are facing now. And ISIS moved into Syria - no Isis, likely no syrian revolution either.


But, there would still be Islamists in the world, and they would have still been trying to do damage to any Western country, including Canada. so who knows how things would look now. These guys are getting radicalized via the internet. That was happening before ISIS became prominent, likely keep happening even if ISIS is put down.

As for them being all alike, it's not about how crazy, but what their aims are. The Taliban are focused on Astan and Pstan, they've never shown any inclination to take it to the West. ISIS, otoh, is whole different kettle of fish, Not a bunch of medieval Taliban, but a very modern horror that uses very modern methods to achieve it's aims. We're going to have to be much smarter to counter them.

why were the cops so surprised if they were watching these two guys? Why was the BC legislature warned (by the feds, I believe) to be on alert, but Parliament seems to have been totally unprepared? The people who really seem to be thinking it can't happen here seem to be the ones in charge. Guess this will wake them up.

Sorry but I still can't buy that these guys are getting completely radicalized via the internet. It may be a starting point for them but at some point they're getting hands on instruction about the religion and what martyrdom entails from a real live person because not even crazy fucked up assholes like these two would assume they'd get a martyrs reward just from reading about it online.

Of course the Taliban are pretty much a regional entity still but, their philosophy of conquest and extreme religious goals are exactly the same as ISIS only at the moment regional which, still makes them dangerous to the west and just because they haven't carried out any terror attacks against Canada directly doesn't mean that given the opportunity they won't especially since they've proven to be supporters of terrorism in the past. If they hadn't refused to give up Bin Laden they'd still be in power because, despite the loonie conspiracy theorists claims about beating the Russians in building a pipeline across that country, the Americams had no goals, ambitions or aims on Afghanistan prior to that. So, without America deciding to include Afghanistan in their "democracy" push because of the Talibans support for Bin Laden we wouldn't have become involved either.

And yes you're right, the talking heads missed boat completely on this one. How the fuck do they justify warning every institution, organization and group in Canada that there is a significant terror threat yet, leave the front door of Parliament wide open with no visible or effective security measures in place. That was a fuckup of magnificent proportions and heads should roll over it.

I also wonder how much of this crap is in retaliation to our unleashing JTF-2 on one of radical Islam's rising stars Boko Haram? What makes me think that is there are some analyst's saying that they're the one of the main reasons that group is now willing to negotiate the release of those 300 girls they took hostage rather than carrying on as normal by giving out press releases and spitting in the face of their opponents.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

And because of that it's to bad we don't have a law on the books like Great Briton's Treason Act 1351 which apparently they're considering using to prosecute their homegrown terrorists.

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46.
(1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada,
(c) assists an enemy at war with Canada, or any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities, whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are.

(2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,

(a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts ... .html#h-13

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47. (1) Every one who commits high treason is guilty of an indictable offence and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life.


(4) For the purposes of Part XXIII, the sentence of imprisonment for life prescribed by subsection (1) is a minimum punishment.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts ... ge-16.html

[ShepherdsDog]

Thanos Thanos:

When the shock fades and the machinery of moral equivalence and leftist relativism fully kick into high gear, the natural reflex of those who have put Canada into this position with their failed policies and social theories can be accurately summed up like this:



"Yep, we're fucked"

- W. Axel Rose

How the hell were you able to get your hands on Justin's apology to the Jihadis? "We're sorry Canada forced you to do this."

[PluggyRug]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I know quite a few people who are muslims, all nice kind people, certainly nicer and kinder than your online persona (no offence), all of them modern and liberal, no beards, no burqas, no rigid lifestyle or self-segregation, and most drink booze...but nonetheless they are muslim. Will you weep for them?

Then they are not muslims.

[BeaverFever]

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Then they are not muslims.

Says who? you?

[PluggyRug]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

Then they are not muslims.

Says who? you?

No. They by their actions.

[Thanos]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Thanos Thanos:

When the shock fades and the machinery of moral equivalence and leftist relativism fully kick into high gear, the natural reflex of those who have put Canada into this position with their failed policies and social theories can be accurately summed up like this:



"Yep, we're fucked"

- W. Axel Rose

How the hell were you able to get your hands on Justin's apology to the Jihadis? "We're sorry Canada forced you to do this."

JT's not the sharpest egg in the carton but even's he's cunning enough to wait a few weeks or months before he says something really stupid. Give it time though and his patented "it's all society's fault" bullshit routine that he and other leftist hooker-fuckers like Andy resort to gets brought out in his next heartfelt and hand-holding interview with Mansbridge.

[Zipperfish]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Remember that Chretien sent Canadian troops to Afghanistan to secure for the Afghani's a form of freedom and democracy which they never had and without reservations I'll be the first to admit that despite trying it 2 different ways we failed miserably but, our intentions were good even if you don't think so.

Actually Canadians were sent to Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power in order to prevent Al Qeada from using it as an opertaions base.

Afghani is the currency, not the people.