[fifeboy]

Brenda Brenda:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Brenda Brenda:

I must say that I am super happy with our Superintendent of the School District. He is awesome and kept us all informed without stating any opinion.

I wonder how many hours of extracurriculars he does in a year ?

I wonder how much responsibility this man has?

Do you now think he has more responsibility than the teachers? I thought it was good for moral if the General showed up on the front lines. And entertaining if he got shot! Or is it only the teachers responsibility ?

[Brenda]

He can't. He is the Superintendent of the school district. Not necessarily the teachers boss.

[fifeboy]

Brenda Brenda:

He can't. He is the Superintendent of the school district. Not necessarily the teachers boss.

I can't speak for BC, but here the Director is in charge of the district and the Superintendent is in charge of teachers, "supervising" then. Larger Districts will have more than one superintendent . If it was "all about the kids" than he would find time as he does not have papers to mark and has a secretary to do his xeroxing. If people in general thought it was "all about the kids" they wouldn't howl that taxes should be lowered and pay for the best quality. Canada appears to be doing quite well with its education system and it's (FUCK THE) teachers .

[andyt]

I don't get it. Some people here seem to hold teachers to a different standard than they hold themselves. There isn't a person here who wouldn't take a raise or more profit for their business if they can get it. Why are teachers so hated for bargaining for more money? They got screwed last round vs other govt workers and want some catch up. Are they really supposed to fall further and further behind to prove they are for the children?

The teachers and govt are real close on wages. Yet the teachers are striking because the govt won't budge on class size and composition. If teachers only cared about themselves, not how good a job they are doing educating the kids, why would they go on strike, lose all those wages on this issue? They'd just do their teacher dance in the bedlam of the oversized classes with all the special needs students and go home as soon as classes are over. No supervising extra curricular activities, no doing anything their contract doesn't specifically require them to do. Arrive as late as possible, scoot home as early as possible, and that's it.

Give your heads a shake. Teachers care about the kids, They also care about their own and their family's well being, same as all of you here. People are just pissed because they don't get free babysitting for a few days.

[OnTheIce]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Brenda Brenda:

Maybe you had the luxury to take 3 months off in summer, but I do not. Most do not. Bosses do not usually like that idea and neither do land lords or clients/customers.
We get 10 or 15 days off. Per year.

Teachers also don't get paid to mark papers at night, go to school in the evening to xerox, put out the yearbook, coach volleyball, run the chess club, tutor students , etc, etc , etc . They just do it. Withdrawing these voluntary services is just a way to get your attention . If, as Icy suggests, these services are done by parents, see how it goes. My experience with parent volunteers is that a few will do almost everything, working their asses off until they burn out. Might work though.
As I said, you get what you pay for. I remember reading someplace (anecdotal report only) that one of the reasons the US has such low math scores is that math teachers are wooed away by industry with better pay. You get what you pay for!

You're not a saint for volunteering your time. Get off your high horse. So many people volunteer far more time in their communities and they don't pull away from kids, leaving them stranded like you guys do.

It doesn't get our attention when you stop doing these things, it pisses us off. You're supposed to get the attention of the government. All you've done is lost the respect of parents and children because we all know what your true motives are. No matter how many times teachers say "It's all about the kids" it doesn't make it any less bullshit.

[Jonny_C]

Making some good points in this thread, Andy.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

I don't get it. Some people here seem to hold teachers to a different standard than they hold themselves. There isn't a person here who wouldn't take a raise or more profit for their business if they can get it. Why are teachers so hated for bargaining for more money? They got screwed last round vs other govt workers and want some catch up. Are they really supposed to fall further and further behind to prove they are for the children?

While I'm not surprised you don't get it, teachers are a unique profession. It cannot be compared to a person looking for a raise at Wal-Mart.

Are you serious that you think that helping with a school party or doing report cards is going to set them back financially? Give me a break.

andyt andyt:

Give your heads a shake. Teachers care about the kids, They also care about their own and their family's well being, same as all of you here. People are just pissed because they don't get free babysitting for a few days.

Teachers care about the kids?..That's why they won't do any activities with them, report cards, grad ceremonies...you know, those things that kids look forward to for years? That'll show the government! Let's upset a bunch of kids because taking it out on them makes so much sense.

Teachers care about their pay checks first, everything else second. It's got nothing to do with free babysitting, it's about using my kids as pawns to get more money.

[fifeboy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Brenda Brenda:

Maybe you had the luxury to take 3 months off in summer, but I do not. Most do not. Bosses do not usually like that idea and neither do land lords or clients/customers.
We get 10 or 15 days off. Per year.

Teachers also don't get paid to mark papers at night, go to school in the evening to xerox, put out the yearbook, coach volleyball, run the chess club, tutor students , etc, etc , etc . They just do it. Withdrawing these voluntary services is just a way to get your attention . If, as Icy suggests, these services are done by parents, see how it goes. My experience with parent volunteers is that a few will do almost everything, working their asses off until they burn out. Might work though.
As I said, you get what you pay for. I remember reading someplace (anecdotal report only) that one of the reasons the US has such low math scores is that math teachers are wooed away by industry with better pay. You get what you pay for!

You're not a saint for volunteering your time. Get off your high horse. So many people volunteer far more time in their communities and they don't pull away from kids, leaving them stranded like you guys do.

It doesn't get our attention when you stop doing these things, it pisses us off. You're supposed to get the attention of the government. All you've done is lost the respect of parents and children because we all know what your true motives are. No matter how many times teachers say "It's all about the kids" it doesn't make it any less bullshit.

Like I said dude , fire 'em all. Then on the ice can come in a do all the extra curriculars and every one can teach their own kids . All those ex teachers can sell used cars. Lots of people home school. Start a "dump the 'don't care about kids ' teachers" movement or hire people who are willing to work at minimum wage and then spend most of their free time volunteering with you after school or at noon. See how that works out! Like I said several times before, you get what you pay for.

[andyt]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

I don't get it. Some people here seem to hold teachers to a different standard than they hold themselves. There isn't a person here who wouldn't take a raise or more profit for their business if they can get it. Why are teachers so hated for bargaining for more money? They got screwed last round vs other govt workers and want some catch up. Are they really supposed to fall further and further behind to prove they are for the children?

While I'm not surprised you don't get it, teachers are a unique profession. It cannot be compared to a person looking for a raise at Wal-Mart.

Are you serious that you think that helping with a school party or doing report cards is going to set them back financially? Give me a break.

IF it's a unique profession it deserves to be well paid. The BC teachers deserve a raise. You're just using this as an excuse to screw them over - you're unique, therefor you're greedy if you bargain for more pay, while I'm proud to be a greed hog. Nice one.

Your second para has no bearing on what I said and makes no sense.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

Give your heads a shake. Teachers care about the kids, They also care about their own and their family's well being, same as all of you here. People are just pissed because they don't get free babysitting for a few days.

Teachers care about the kids?..That's why they won't do any activities with them, report cards, grad ceremonies...you know, those things that kids look forward to for years? That'll show the government! Let's upset a bunch of kids because taking it out on them makes so much sense.

Teachers care about their pay checks first, everything else second. It's got nothing to do with free babysitting, it's about using my kids as pawns to get more money.

What would you suggest the teachers do instead? How do they get bargaining leverage except to withdraw their services. You make snided comments to Fifeboy about teachers giving their time - if its' no big deal to you, why are you whining when they don't do it? I suggest you go do those things, since it's not worth noting when they do it.

Teachers probably do care about their pay cheques first. So does everybody else. That's the number one reason people work - to support themselves. Nice weasel where teachers are special, but that means they should be satisfied with less money.

[fifeboy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

andyt andyt:

I don't get it. Some people here seem to hold teachers to a different standard than they hold themselves. There isn't a person here who wouldn't take a raise or more profit for their business if they can get it. Why are teachers so hated for bargaining for more money? They got screwed last round vs other govt workers and want some catch up. Are they really supposed to fall further and further behind to prove they are for the children?

While I'm not surprised you don't get it, teachers are a unique profession. It cannot be compared to a person looking for a raise at Wal-Mart.

Are you serious that you think that helping with a school party or doing report cards is going to set them back financially? Give me a break.

andyt andyt:

Give your heads a shake. Teachers care about the kids, They also care about their own and their family's well being, same as all of you here. People are just pissed because they don't get free babysitting for a few days.

Teachers care about the kids?..That's why they won't do any activities with them, report cards, grad ceremonies...you know, those things that kids look forward to for years? That'll show the government! Let's upset a bunch of kids because taking it out on them makes so much sense.

Teachers care about their pay checks first, everything else second. It's got nothing to do with free babysitting, it's about using my kids as pawns to get more money.

What are you talking about? Are you saying teachers are not doing extra-C activities ? Except for the work to rule in BC, who is doing it? You? Parents?

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

IF it's a unique profession it deserves to be well paid. The BC teachers deserve a raise. You're just using this as an excuse to screw them over - you're unique, therefor you're greedy if you bargain for more pay, while I'm proud to be a greed hog. Nice one.

And it is well paid.

Unions are all about equality and solidarity, right? So when this union asks for a higher increase than other public sector workers got plus a $5000 "signing bonus" they were laughed at. Rightfully so.

andyt andyt:

What would you suggest the teachers do instead? How do they get bargaining leverage except to withdraw their services. You make snided comments to Fifeboy about teachers giving their time - if its' no big deal to you, why are you whining when they don't do it? I suggest you go do those things, since it's not worth noting when they do it.

As we have been told, extra curricular activities aren't "services" that teachers provide. It's not part of their job. Either do it because you like to do it and enjoy it, or don't do it.

Not doing these activities with the kids never benefits the teachers or unions during labour. Never. So why bother make the kids suffer? Go on strike, stop working and show your frustration. Take the pay cut at the same time.

This happens a couple times every decade and the process continues to get worse and more ugly. These tactics aren't helping the union.

andyt andyt:

Teachers probably do care about their pay cheques first. So does everybody else. That's the number one reason people work - to support themselves. Nice weasel where teachers are special, but that means they should be satisfied with less money.

Nobody is asking them to take less money. I'm simply asking them to bargain with the government and leave the kids out of it.


Looks like the teachers are having to use a foodbank:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.2679584

Let the strike run all summer and see how that works out.

[OnTheIce]

fifeboy fifeboy:

What are you talking about? Are you saying teachers are not doing extra-C activities ? Except for the work to rule in BC, who is doing it? You? Parents?

Not doing extra curricular activities is a common tactic of unions these days. We saw it in Ontario last year and numerous times before that all over the Country.

When it happened here, I volunteered my time to help run some of the sports teams. I was told it was "not allowed" as it would "upset" the teachers.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

stratos stratos:

My mother was also a teacher. So yes I find it very hard to understand why you would assume me saying that I hope parents are teaching their kids while the strike is going on.

I guess in this particular instance, the union is fine with the affected parents being "scabs".

[PublicAnimalNo9]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Brenda Brenda:

Maybe you had the luxury to take 3 months off in summer, but I do not. Most do not. Bosses do not usually like that idea and neither do land lords or clients/customers.
We get 10 or 15 days off. Per year.

Teachers also don't get paid to mark papers at night, go to school in the evening to xerox, put out the yearbook, coach volleyball, run the chess club, tutor students , etc, etc , etc . They just do it.

It's a SALARIED position, not an hourly wage job so yes, you're still getting paid for that stuff. Lots of people working salary jobs and making less than teachers put in far more than 40 hours a week, and do it without all the extra days off.

[fifeboy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

fifeboy fifeboy:

What are you talking about? Are you saying teachers are not doing extra-C activities ? Except for the work to rule in BC, who is doing it? You? Parents?

Not doing extra curricular activities is a common tactic of unions these days. We saw it in Ontario last year and numerous times before that all over the Country.

When it happened here, I volunteered my time to help run some of the sports teams. I was told it was "not allowed" as it would "upset" the teachers.

It's a tactic that the teachers unions use! It's not illegal and it does help to remind people what ALL happens in schools, about your volunteering--- don't get me wrong here--- it's a good thing. I suspect they denied your request more for insurance reasons than for what they said.