CKA Forums
Login 
canadian forums
bottom
 
 
Canadian Forums

Author Topic Options
Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 33492
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:03 pm
 


If breaking up Canada wouldn't be such a bummer, the PQ show would be hilarious. But how can anybody take them seriously. I don't think they believe in separation themselves. It's the old an independent Quebec within a strong Canada. They want to be able to do whatever the fuck they want, while we keep paying. Teenagers are more mature than that.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Montreal Canadiens
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 13404
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:31 pm
 


It's the culture of the victim.

Something happened hundreds of years ago and now I'm a victim AND NOW YOU OWE ME!


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 New York Rangers
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 11240
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:36 pm
 


xerxes xerxes:
That woman is so batty she's in danger of becoming Canada's Sarah Palin.

I think she would be closer to Michele Bachmann, not that that is a compliment.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 19969
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:46 pm
 


Yeah. They're both nuttier than squirrel shit.


Offline
Forum Junkie
Forum Junkie
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 580
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:21 am
 


JaredMilne JaredMilne:
Count_Lothian Count_Lothian:

As for the daughters being prostitutes, they were orphans.
The King sent orphans not prostitutes, that where the real fuck you came from.
and fuck you again you have an agenda and you are twisting the post to suit your bullshit.



I misinterpreted your reference to the "Filles du roi" and thought that you were insulting people based on their ancestry.

As for the prostitutes/orphans thing, it was only after you corrected me that I realized where I'd heard that original claim-namely, Mordecai Richler.

I'd first heard the claim in university, and I subsequently came across other writings that pointed out how Richler's claim was full of it, even even though that didn't stop Richler from repeating it.

Again, mea culpa on that one.

To be honest, your pointing out that I need not have used that to make a point , I took seriously.

I never really explain my line of thinking and just let that hang there.

Also someone PM'd me to explain to me that your really a good guy and that I should not have taken it the way i did.

The whole issue is sensitive for me .
I cannot say this enough times. "I was brought up ,and shown that the French Canadian was and is fucked over by it's own people over and over".

When you look at the social side of Quebec, thats the people not the government.
A simple thing like being the first in Canada to place signs on public transit for pregnant women and blind and disabled seating .
Tells you something about French Canada.

All the bull shit is hate filled propaganda based and is a throw back to the seven years war.
BAH!!!

And they were orphans, why richler referred to them as prostitutes, irks me.

Why would the king do that in order to grow a population that kept dying off.
Sending prostitutes does not make sense. The King wanted a viable colony not some Botany Bay thing lol.


This is why you have such close ties in large regions and smaller towns in quebec.
Which makes it very easy to control politically with propaganda . It's easy to tell them that the English want to hurt them and their culture.

anyway, no one address the reality.
The enlglish were the conquerors, for the first time in human history they actually spent money on allowing for the culture to remain intact and thrive on it's own.

Most conquerors demand they learn their language and follow their religion.
This was different in this instance.

It wasn't the English that fucked us over it was the deals made with French aristocracy and Religion that Fucked us over.
The English allowed it to happen or went along with an unique opportunity for an uneducated working class that could be controlled and ruled.

why the French Aristocracy and Catholic Church allowed this to happen is criminal.
I honestly do not think it was the English that initiated it , but went along with it.


Offline
Forum Elite
Forum Elite
Profile
Posts: 1465
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:13 pm
 


Count_Lothian Count_Lothian:
To be honest, your pointing out that I need not have used that to make a point , I took seriously.

I never really explain my line of thinking and just let that hang there.

Also someone PM'd me to explain to me that your really a good guy and that I should not have taken it the way i did.

The whole issue is sensitive for me .
I cannot say this enough times. "I was brought up ,and shown that the French Canadian was and is fucked over by it's own people over and over".


Hey, it's all good, buddy. I myself shouldn't have responded the way I did, much less downrated your rep (is there any way to fix that?)

The issue is something I feel very strongly about too, albeit for different reasons. Canadian unity is probably my biggest passion in life. I am not a francophone like you, but I am a francophile-learning French and growing up as I did during the referendum controversies of the late '80s and '90s, I developed an innate liking of francophone Canadian culture, and I was puzzled as to why so many Quebecers wanted to leave so badly. That grew into an interest in other aspects of Canadian history and politics, like Western alienation.

In studying the Franco-Quebecois perspective, I developed quite a bit of sympathy for where many federalists were coming from, and I even became sympathetic to the language laws. In studying the history of other parts of Canada, I also saw how the rights of francophones outside Quebec were often systematically violated and promises were broken, which is one of the big reasons separatism took root in the first place.

You are quite right in noting how the British agreed to let francophone Canadians continue to maintain their culture, language and religion, but that was often against the desires of a lot of Britons who wanted nothing more than to assimilate them all. Dalton McCarthy expressed the views of many English speakers when he was quoted as saying that if francophones were not assimilated at the ballot box in his generation, it would have to be done with bayonets in the next. It was sympathetic Anglos like Robert Baldwin, John A. Macdonald and Guy Carleton that teamed up with Francophone leaders to prevent this from happening. And to my mind, just as there is Francophone bigotry out there even today, there is also Anglophone bigotry as well, some of it very much directed at Francophones. Just look at the public "support" Richler got in that book page I quoted in my last post.

This is why I've played Devil's Advocate for Quebec so often on various forums-I sympathize with federalists like the Dions, Claude Ryan and André Laurendeau and I've tried to explain their point of view to people outside Quebec. I don't want to lose Quebec any more than I want to lose Alberta, the Yukon or New Brunswick-you guys are, after all, my kin and countrymen. (I'll touch on this in a post I'm planning for sometime next week, but if Quebec were to leave I think that the rest of the country would suffer some major economic problems too...but that's a rant for another day.)


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Montreal Canadiens
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 13404
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:42 pm
 


Hey, I'm a Celt with a little bit of Huguenot ancestry. Does that count, too? Apparently, it has been recently discovered that Samuel de Champlain was also an Huguenot ... just a little before the time when it became illegal to be a Protestant in France (see: forgotten genocides).


Offline
CKA Moderator
CKA Moderator
 Vancouver Canucks


GROUP_AVATAR
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 65472
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:53 pm
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
I thought you were American?


Indeed. I should have clarified that genetically I am Scottish. Over 85% of my patriarchal genome traces to Scotland and over 55% of my maternal line traces to Scotland.

Up until last year I believed my family was Irish. Turns out they were just Scots who settled in Ireland for three or four generations without intermingling with the locals.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Montreal Canadiens
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 13404
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:54 pm
 


ULSTERMAN!!!

I'm growing to like you, Bart


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 33492
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:57 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Indeed. I should have clarified that genetically I am Scottish.


No such thing.


Offline
Forum Junkie
Forum Junkie
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 580
PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:12 am
 


JaredMilne JaredMilne:

Hey, it's all good, buddy. I myself shouldn't have responded the way I did, much less downrated your rep (is there any way to fix that?)

meh i'm not big on the ribbons, but i use the thing like a message thingamabob.
$1:
The issue is something I feel very strongly about too, albeit for different reasons.

In reading what follows,I do not see any different reasons

$1:
Canadian unity is probably my biggest passion in life. I am not a francophone like you,

I do not consider myself a francophone but a Canadian with 7 various ethnic decants kicking about. That I know of.
It took my mother's losing her purse and the subsequent ID rehash to find out I have Dutch in my background.

This week I shall celebrate St. Patrick's day
with getting blathered and ingesting this meat laced with nitrates.
How this event takes place during lent is beyond me. But you gotta love the Irish!!!! Grand Mother was a staunch IRA supporter, who hid guys for years on the lamb in Canada. There is a whole book in that . took me years to come to terms with it all, and i vacillated equally between some arcane romantic tie and down right disgust for the murderous bastards all terrorists are. Oops those guys were army guys. still vacillating and confused at times.


$1:
but I am a francophile-learning French and growing up as I did during the referendum controversies of the late '80s and '90s, I developed an innate liking of francophone Canadian culture, and I was puzzled as to why so many Quebecers wanted to leave so badly. That grew into an interest in other aspects of Canadian history and politics, like Western alienation.


Hopefully we can share our ideas. I learned from you and you have to realize i am uneducated and thirst for real knowledge.Your posting Richler's piece on the Orphans says so much about people who grew up in Montreal. Surely that was born from a prejudice and a direct jab at a people's heritage. Where as the reality is based on beauty, he defamed it and the question is why?
GRRRR!!!

then of course the danger in his position as he states he is a professor which makes it an edict!!!
There is a deep divide between Jews and the French in Quebec, so sad….

$1:
In studying the Franco-Quebecois perspective, I developed quite a bit of sympathy for where many federalists were coming from, and I even became sympathetic to the language laws. In studying the history of other parts of Canada, I also saw how the rights of francophones outside Quebec were often systematically violated and promises were broken, which is one of the big reasons separatism took root in the first place.


I see where you are coming from. and Agree but not entirely.
In order for me to come to grips with the language laws , i look towards the bra burning of the early 60's as a means to kick start the revolution of women.. always the wheel turns with a huge shove to get it turning.

But there are inane instances where people were fined large sums due to draconian implementation. Which really wasn't that necessary. But go to Montreal and hear someone say "Avez vous une flat tire ?" or "Don un hot dog all dresse" and see why it was needed, mon chum.

i don;t see the trampling on the french rights outside quebec as a real spurn to sovereignty . if they really cared , it would be to enforce the stability of the union and go that route to "Save" them from this.
$1:
You are quite right in noting how the British agreed to let francophone Canadians continue to maintain their culture, language and religion, but that was often against the desires of a lot of Britons who wanted nothing more than to assimilate them all.

Yeah and the exodus to Louisiana is without a doubt based on those real fears.


$1:
Dalton McCarthy expressed the views of many English speakers when he was quoted as saying that if francophones were not assimilated at the ballot box in his generation, it would have to be done with bayonets in the next. It was sympathetic Anglos like Robert Baldwin, John A. Macdonald and Guy Carleton that teamed up with Francophone leaders to prevent this from happening.

Which begs us to see how real Canadian values and our unique indifference and compassion for others developed.
these men shaped the Canada the world loves. *takes a chance for a shot at Harperism* we are slowly losing that due to Harper's foreign policies adopted from American style and his closing and merging of embassies around the world , to say the least.

$1:
And to my mind, just as there is Francophone bigotry out there even today, there is also Anglophone bigotry as well, some of it very much directed at Francophones. Just look at the public "support" Richler got in that book page I quoted in my last post.


Yes, indeed.
$1:
This is why I've played Devil's Advocate for Quebec so often on various forums-I sympathize with federalists like the Dions, Claude Ryan and André Laurendeau and I've tried to explain their point of view to people outside Quebec. I don't want to lose Quebec any more than I want to lose Alberta, the Yukon or New Brunswick-you guys are, after all, my kin and countrymen. (I'll touch on this in a post I'm planning for sometime next week, but if Quebec were to leave I think that the rest of the country would suffer some major economic problems too...but that's a rant for another day.)


You really express my feelings beautifully. I have read this post a few times now due to it's hitting so many chords in my being.


Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 86 posts ]  Previous  1  2  3  4  5  6



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 33 guests



cron
 
     
All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owner.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © Canadaka.net. Powered by © phpBB.