[ShepherdsDog]

Elements of the Ukrainian military and police may rebel IF that comes to pass.....then things would really get ugly

[martin14]

Ukrainian unrest spreads both east and west







http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26277378

[ShepherdsDog]

almost entirely in the West....the Orange Revolution prt. 2 is a darker shade

[BartSimpson]

PROPAGANDA DISCLAIMER
Pro-Russian Separatism Rises In Crimea As Ukraine's Crisis Unfolds

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-cr ... 68303.html

$1:

SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine -- From the dingy basement of a decaying apartment block on the outskirts of Simferopol, Crimean parliament deputy Sergei Shuvainikov is leading the fight to defend the ethnic Russians of this strategic Black Sea peninsula.

In an office festooned with banners showing a map of Crimea overlaid with a World War II medal featuring the communist hammer and sickle and the slogan "In union with Russia," the voluble Shuvainikov spills out a litany of alleged assaults on the Russian language and Russian culture in Ukraine.

"This is the result of a political position to deny Russians, for whom the language is the main identifier of their Russian ethnicity, of their Russian nation, Russian people," he says. "To deny them the right to remind children and young people that they are Russians. It is in fact the destruction of Russian nationality, of the concept of the Russian people of Ukraine."

The piles of megaphones and rolled up banners in the corner of Shuvainikov's self-proclaimed "bunker" attest to the stepped-up activity of the organizations he heads, the Congress of Russian Communities and the Russian Front. Since the political crisis erupted in Kyiv in November, his organizations have repeatedly held demonstrations in Simferopol and elsewhere, burning EU flags and blaming U.S. and NATO interference for Ukraine's time of troubles.

The people of Crimea are watching with nervous expectation as the political and economic crisis in Ukraine drags on.

Crimea is Ukraine's only region where ethnic Russians are a majority, comprising approximately 60 percent of its population of 2 million. From the 18th century until just 60 years ago on February 19, the peninsula was part of Russia. And as Ukraine's turmoil shakes the region's ethnic and religious fault lines, there is increasing talk that perhaps it should be again.

Staying In Moscow's Orbit

Although it is illegal to openly advocate separatism in Ukraine, many pro-Russian organizations are calling for "bolstering Crimea's autonomy" in the event the government of President Viktor Yanukovych strikes some compromise agreement with what they call the "fascist" opposition.

The goal of the pro-Russian groups is to keep Ukraine in Moscow's orbit and prevent its integration with Europe. But to drum up support for their efforts, they are openly manipulating tensions and fears between Orthodox Russians and Muslim Crimean Tatars, who make up about 12 percent of the population. Hundreds of thousands of Tatars have returned to their Crimean homeland after being deported by Soviet authorities during World War II.

About 40 kilometers northeast of Shuvainikov's Simferopol bunker is the dusty, crumbling town of Belogorsk. It's hard to guess it was once a lively trading center of the Silk Road with the Tatar name Karasubazar. Today its population of some 18,000 is nearly evenly divided between Russians, Ukrainians, and Tatars.

The town's mayor, Albert Kangiyev, an ethnic Tatar and a member of President Yanukovych's Party of Regions, says his town is peaceful and relations among different groups are good. But he worries about the potential for outside forces to disrupt this fragile harmony.

"This is a multiethnic city," Kangiyev says. "Today the percentage of formerly deported citizens in our city is more than 30 percent -- that is, a quite significant number. And lighting a match -- in a manner of speaking -- in our city would be very easy."

In November, Shuvainikov's Congress of Russian Communities held a march through downtown Belogorsk to mark the Russian holiday of National Unity Day. A few dozen participants listened to speeches glorifying the Tsarist-era conquering of Crimea and adopted a resolution claiming "today Russians are again in a state of feudal fragmentation, spiritual decline, and despondency. Our rights to our history, our culture, our Orthodox faith, and the Russian language are being brazenly restricted. More and more often we see and hear insulting attacks aimed at Russia and the Russian people."

The Russian media has started the propaganda war to justify a Russian invasion and annexation of the Crimea.

I'm thinking we'll see the Russian military invade by this time next week.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The Russian media has started the propaganda war to justify a Russian invasion and annexation of the Crimea.

I'm thinking we'll see the Russian military invade by this time next week.

It's kind of hard to mistake that rhetoric, isn't it.

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's an extended version of some stuff that was posted earlier.



You see gun-grubbers? This is why you don't give your guns up to Communists and the like.

[DrCaleb]

Before and after pics:

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/be ... ce-square/

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The Russian media has started the propaganda war to justify a Russian invasion and annexation of the Crimea.

I'm thinking we'll see the Russian military invade by this time next week.

It's kind of hard to mistake that rhetoric, isn't it.

It's also not hard to recognize a pattern after having seen such things before. The propaganda starts up to gin up support or justification for an action that would otherwise be objectionable.

In this case I think what's happened is that the Soviets see Ukraine's movement towards the West as inevitable so they want to get a piece sliced off before they have to answer to NATO. Because if they pulled this sh*t with a full member of NATO we'd be just a bit irate about it.

[martin14]

A city 100km west of Kyiv, called Zhytomyr.

Looting buildings, governors office and police dept burned.

They went after the statue of Lenin as well

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

A city 100km west of Kyiv, called Zhytomyr.

Looting buildings, governors office and police dept burned.

They went after the statue of Lenin as well

Going after Lenin, eh? That's just baiting Putin!

[stratos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

PROPAGANDA DISCLAIMER
Pro-Russian Separatism Rises In Crimea As Ukraine's Crisis Unfolds

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-cr ... 68303.html

$1:

SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine -- From the dingy basement of a decaying apartment block on the outskirts of Simferopol, Crimean parliament deputy Sergei Shuvainikov is leading the fight to defend the ethnic Russians of this strategic Black Sea peninsula.

In an office festooned with banners showing a map of Crimea overlaid with a World War II medal featuring the communist hammer and sickle and the slogan "In union with Russia," the voluble Shuvainikov spills out a litany of alleged assaults on the Russian language and Russian culture in Ukraine.

"This is the result of a political position to deny Russians, for whom the language is the main identifier of their Russian ethnicity, of their Russian nation, Russian people," he says. "To deny them the right to remind children and young people that they are Russians. It is in fact the destruction of Russian nationality, of the concept of the Russian people of Ukraine."

The piles of megaphones and rolled up banners in the corner of Shuvainikov's self-proclaimed "bunker" attest to the stepped-up activity of the organizations he heads, the Congress of Russian Communities and the Russian Front. Since the political crisis erupted in Kyiv in November, his organizations have repeatedly held demonstrations in Simferopol and elsewhere, burning EU flags and blaming U.S. and NATO interference for Ukraine's time of troubles.

The people of Crimea are watching with nervous expectation as the political and economic crisis in Ukraine drags on.

Crimea is Ukraine's only region where ethnic Russians are a majority, comprising approximately 60 percent of its population of 2 million. From the 18th century until just 60 years ago on February 19, the peninsula was part of Russia. And as Ukraine's turmoil shakes the region's ethnic and religious fault lines, there is increasing talk that perhaps it should be again.

Staying In Moscow's Orbit

Although it is illegal to openly advocate separatism in Ukraine, many pro-Russian organizations are calling for "bolstering Crimea's autonomy" in the event the government of President Viktor Yanukovych strikes some compromise agreement with what they call the "fascist" opposition.

The goal of the pro-Russian groups is to keep Ukraine in Moscow's orbit and prevent its integration with Europe. But to drum up support for their efforts, they are openly manipulating tensions and fears between Orthodox Russians and Muslim Crimean Tatars, who make up about 12 percent of the population. Hundreds of thousands of Tatars have returned to their Crimean homeland after being deported by Soviet authorities during World War II.

About 40 kilometers northeast of Shuvainikov's Simferopol bunker is the dusty, crumbling town of Belogorsk. It's hard to guess it was once a lively trading center of the Silk Road with the Tatar name Karasubazar. Today its population of some 18,000 is nearly evenly divided between Russians, Ukrainians, and Tatars.

The town's mayor, Albert Kangiyev, an ethnic Tatar and a member of President Yanukovych's Party of Regions, says his town is peaceful and relations among different groups are good. But he worries about the potential for outside forces to disrupt this fragile harmony.

"This is a multiethnic city," Kangiyev says. "Today the percentage of formerly deported citizens in our city is more than 30 percent -- that is, a quite significant number. And lighting a match -- in a manner of speaking -- in our city would be very easy."

In November, Shuvainikov's Congress of Russian Communities held a march through downtown Belogorsk to mark the Russian holiday of National Unity Day. A few dozen participants listened to speeches glorifying the Tsarist-era conquering of Crimea and adopted a resolution claiming "today Russians are again in a state of feudal fragmentation, spiritual decline, and despondency. Our rights to our history, our culture, our Orthodox faith, and the Russian language are being brazenly restricted. More and more often we see and hear insulting attacks aimed at Russia and the Russian people."

The Russian media has started the propaganda war to justify a Russian invasion and annexation of the Crimea.

I'm thinking we'll see the Russian military invade by this time next week.

When I read this I could not help but think this sounds like a modren day spin on what Hitler said about Germans in other countries.

[stratos]

Got a PM from Postfactum. He's okay but says it's like a war there. Here's hopeing he stays safe.

[stratos]

Done Deal: Ukraine Protesters Agree to Peace Pact with President

http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/ukra ... ent-n35171

Now it's a wait and see type situation. Wish nothing but the best for this country and it's people.

[saturn_656]

This deal leaves Russia's man in Kyiv in place. Might not fly.

[stratos]

Exactly, its how the people in the street are going to take this deal. If they don't like it the protests will continue.