[Thanos]

You're wrong about that. Gratuitous sexual behaviour has been pushed as feminism at least as far back as the ascent of Madonna up the pop charts back in the early 1980's. You should read more on the Jezebel hate-site too. They think that some porner getting her face slapped with giant dicks is as important a feminist icon as Wendy Davis is. Old-school feminists like Kathryn MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin might have crossed the line into Nazi territory with wanting to have all the porno burnt and executing all the producers and pimps but at least they were consistent with what they thought as dangerous and wrong for women. I miss the old bra-burners. At least they were honest and weren't trying to put lipstick on one fuck of an ugly a pig the way the newer generation keeps trying to do.

[Brenda]

Feminism, what I understand it is (or more, was), is a set of movements and ideologies that stood up for women's rights. That has worked. We now have equal rights in employment, pay (...), we have maternity leave, we cannot be discriminated against because of gender anymore.
Feminism has served it's purpose.

It shouldn't exist anymore, and feminism of today is far too extreme in my opinion, and more man-hating than fighting for gender equality.

When it comes to porn and feminism... The fact a women can now CHOOSE to work in porn, instead of being told to, shows that feminism worked.
Yelling 'feminism' when you want to ban porn and thus that choice is rather hypocrite and selfish. Not at all feminist.

[desertdude]

andyt andyt:

You're just hell bent on slamming York, because the think the student that made the original request is Muslim. Could as easily be an Orthodox Jew, the religion of the student has not been made public, but in the latter case we wouldn't hear peep out of you.

This, right here.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

fifeboy fifeboy:

By the way, Dog ... Still waiting....

For what?

fifeboy fifeboy:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

When you attacked me for saying it wasn't cool having pedophiles like what's his name involved with the creation of sex ed policy for the TDSB I knew what you were all about.

fifeboy fifeboy:

Remind me. I don't have the time to go through all my posts. What did I say?

[N_Fiddledog]

OK, I remember that. You, like most of your type, didn't have an actual point regarding the topic that time either, so you decided to attack my personal character which judging by that thread, the one we'll soon discuss, and this one appears to be your M.O.

Ok, now in that one you're mentioning now, you were busting into a thread to tell me what type of person you thought I was. I of course responded by telling you what type you were. As stated before you interrupted a thread to start that one, just as you are interrupting this one now.

I mentioned a previous thread where you'd done the same thing. In that one I was making a point concerning how the TDSB had become sexually perverse in their lesson plans for children. There was much more to it, but one of the things was this guy...

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/st ... 74942.html

Do you remember now? Kathleen Wynne's confederate Ben Levin who was charged with child pornography and some suggest had something to with the creation of the perverse lesson plans in the TDSB.

I came out against child porn people such as Ben Levin. To me they're just another kind of pedophile. Another progressive poster pretended the Ben Levin situation was funny. You, who as usual didn't like the facts but could not dispute them fell back once more on insult. It appeared to support the other poster, and therefore his thoughts on child porn being a joke. I of course returned your insult. I then left the thread because I find support, or marginalization for something like child porn disgusting, and didn't want anything more to do with the discussion.

There you go then. Satisfied? Don't tell me if you aren't. I'm tired of your interrupting threads to pick personal fights. PM me if you've got a problem.

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

You're wrong about that. Gratuitous sexual behaviour has been pushed as feminism at least as far back as the ascent of Madonna up the pop charts back in the early 1980's. You should read more on the Jezebel hate-site too. They think that some porner getting her face slapped with giant dicks is as important a feminist icon as Wendy Davis is. Old-school feminists like Kathryn MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin might have crossed the line into Nazi territory with wanting to have all the porno burnt and executing all the producers and pimps but at least they were consistent with what they thought as dangerous and wrong for women. I miss the old bra-burners. At least they were honest and weren't trying to put lipstick on one fuck of an ugly a pig the way the newer generation keeps trying to do.

No I think you miss the point. The point is that there should not be special rules for.women. Men can go out and screw as many women as they want and still be respected members of the community. In fact a man with many 'conquests' may be MORE respected and may brag about it. Women, however are not alowed to be open about their sexuality else they are shamed and discredited and Feminism says that is unfair. None of that says women SHOULD be hypersexual, only that its hypocritical and unfair that men can be celebrated for their sexuality while women are punished for it.

And there is a difference between women who are sexual for their own pleasure and those who are sexual for the sake of pleasing men. The biggest failure of the male species is that most men can't tell the difference.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

I am wrong here, it is not 95%. A BC Justice says it is 1 in 17, but I'm inclined to believe the former number 1 in 3.

Actually, I do think it is around 90%, but have nothing but personal reasons for that belief.

Most of the "official" figures I've seen put it between 75-85%.

75-85% of women are raped in their lifetime? Where did you get that? I doubt seriously doubt it. If those are official figures, can you please link them.

It was a report from a group of psychiatrists I read 20 or so years ago before I or many others had internet, so finding a link to it could be a herculean task of searching I'm not about to undertake. I have seen other sources that also cite a very high rate of rape but again, they weren't sources on the internet.
Keep in mind that the 75-85% figure accounts for those who were sexually abused/assaulted as children, as well as adult rape.
My own personal experiences easily confirm that as well. Almost every girl I knew growing up and every woman I know now has a story about some perv uncle, or in-law or mother's boyfriend. My own wife was sexually assaulted at least 3 times by the time she turned 14.
My ex-wife and her sisters were raped by their older brother when they were still kids.
A good friend of mine was regularly raped by her step brother from the time she was 12 til she was 16.
And many I know have told me about an uncle, or the boyfriend or husband of an older family member turning his attention on them.

One of the sad facts about rape is it gets under-reported because only about half the claims see any charges laid, and of those an average of 1 in 4 actually sees a guilty verdict. Spousal rape is a prime example. Very few cases of spousal rape actually see a conviction because it's so difficult to prove without doubt that it was rape.
This has led many to estimate that as many as 90% of sexual assaults go unreported.

One last thing, IIRC the percentage was for North America, not just Canada.

[stratos]

$1:

Feminism, what I understand it is (or more, was), is a set of movements and ideologies that stood up for women's rights. That has worked. We now have equal rights in employment, pay (...), we have maternity leave, we cannot be discriminated against because of gender anymore.
Feminism has served it's purpose.

It shouldn't exist anymore, and feminism of today is far too extreme in my opinion, and more man-hating than fighting for gender equality.

You got it right except one small part the "discriminated against because of gender anymore". I would say it still happens but at a far less amount then it used to and when found out taken to the courts. But you hit it prefect with that it went from a fight for equality to the form that it is today.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

OK, I remember that. You, like most of your type, didn't have an actual point regarding the topic that time either, so you decided to attack my personal character which judging by that thread, the one we'll soon discuss, and this one appears to be your M.O.

Ok, now in that one you're mentioning now, you were busting into a thread to tell me what type of person you thought I was. I of course responded by telling you what type you were. As stated before you interrupted a thread to start that one, just as you are interrupting this one now.

I mentioned a previous thread where you'd done the same thing. In that one I was making a point concerning how the TDSB had become sexually perverse in their lesson plans for children. There was much more to it, but one of the things was this guy...

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/st ... 74942.html

Do you remember now? Kathleen Wynne's confederate Ben Levin who was charged with child pornography and some suggest had something to with the creation of the perverse lesson plans in the TDSB.

I came out against child porn people such as Ben Levin. To me they're just another kind of pedophile. Another progressive poster pretended the Ben Levin situation was funny. You, who as usual didn't like the facts but could not dispute them fell back once more on insult. It appeared to support the other poster, and therefore his thoughts on child porn being a joke. I of course returned your insult. I then left the thread because I find support, or marginalization for something like child porn disgusting, and didn't want anything more to do with the discussion.

There you go then. Satisfied? Don't tell me if you aren't. I'm tired of your interrupting threads to pick personal fights. PM me if you've got a problem.

I searched for a thread about this but could not find anything except this:


current-events-f59/ex-deputy-minister-of-education-faces-child-porn-charges-t105676.html?hilit=Child%20porn

You are not even on this one. The only opinion I had was that the guy was not guilty until proven so in a court of law. I don't see how that constitutes approval of child porn.

Now, the reason I am still on about this is because child abuse is one of the things that really pisses me off. In all its forms. If I did come out in favour of it I would like to apologize to the entire forum. If I didn't I'd like it cleared up.

[Strutz]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Most of the "official" figures I've seen put it between 75-85%.

75-85% of women are raped in their lifetime? Where did you get that? I doubt seriously doubt it. If those are official figures, can you please link them.

It was a report from a group of psychiatrists I read 20 or so years ago before I or many others had internet, so finding a link to it could be a herculean task of searching I'm not about to undertake. I have seen other sources that also cite a very high rate of rape but again, they weren't sources on the internet.
Keep in mind that the 75-85% figure accounts for those who were sexually abused/assaulted as children, as well as adult rape.
My own personal experiences easily confirm that as well. Almost every girl I knew growing up and every woman I know now has a story about some perv uncle, or in-law or mother's boyfriend. My own wife was sexually assaulted at least 3 times by the time she turned 14.
My ex-wife and her sisters were raped by their older brother when they were still kids.
A good friend of mine was regularly raped by her step brother from the time she was 12 til she was 16.
And many I know have told me about an uncle, or the boyfriend or husband of an older family member turning his attention on them.

One of the sad facts about rape is it gets under-reported because only about half the claims see any charges laid, and of those an average of 1 in 4 actually sees a guilty verdict. Spousal rape is a prime example. Very few cases of spousal rape actually see a conviction because it's so difficult to prove without doubt that it was rape.
This has led many to estimate that as many as 90% of sexual assaults go unreported.

One last thing, IIRC the percentage was for North America, not just Canada.

I can believe the estimate of 75-85%. Easily. I base that on personal experience as well, with women I have known. Unfortunately it is difficult to verify since, as you mention, almost all sexual assaults are never reported. Personally, I have only known of a few women over the years who even considered to report assaults against them when they took place, most avoid it out of fear of retaliation and of course, of not being believed.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Strutz Strutz:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

75-85% of women are raped in their lifetime? Where did you get that? I doubt seriously doubt it. If those are official figures, can you please link them.

It was a report from a group of psychiatrists I read 20 or so years ago before I or many others had internet, so finding a link to it could be a herculean task of searching I'm not about to undertake. I have seen other sources that also cite a very high rate of rape but again, they weren't sources on the internet.
Keep in mind that the 75-85% figure accounts for those who were sexually abused/assaulted as children, as well as adult rape.
My own personal experiences easily confirm that as well. Almost every girl I knew growing up and every woman I know now has a story about some perv uncle, or in-law or mother's boyfriend. My own wife was sexually assaulted at least 3 times by the time she turned 14.
My ex-wife and her sisters were raped by their older brother when they were still kids.
A good friend of mine was regularly raped by her step brother from the time she was 12 til she was 16.
And many I know have told me about an uncle, or the boyfriend or husband of an older family member turning his attention on them.

One of the sad facts about rape is it gets under-reported because only about half the claims see any charges laid, and of those an average of 1 in 4 actually sees a guilty verdict. Spousal rape is a prime example. Very few cases of spousal rape actually see a conviction because it's so difficult to prove without doubt that it was rape.
This has led many to estimate that as many as 90% of sexual assaults go unreported.

One last thing, IIRC the percentage was for North America, not just Canada.

I can believe the estimate of 75-85%. Easily. I base that on personal experience as well, with women I have known. Unfortunately it is difficult to verify since, as you mention, almost all sexual assaults are never reported. Personally, I have only known of a few women over the years who even considered to report assaults against them when they took place, most avoid it out of fear of retaliation and of course, of not being believed.

One of the best sentences I saw was when my step daughter at the time was the victim of a sexual assault, by her landlord, AFTER her b/f had beat the shit out of her.(The cops didn't handle the b/f assault, my buddies and I did, and it was fun.
The sexual assault charge stemmed from her landlord forcing himself on her and kissing her bruised, swollen lips. She was 18-19 at the time, he was 57.
Bot the prosecution and the defense had agreed upon a $1000 fine, but the judge had different ideas. He was thoroughly disgusted with his excuse that he was simply "asking her for a date". This was a 57 yr old man with a wife and kids.
The judge tossed aside the fine explaining that his wife and kids had to suffer enough living with that turd that he wasn't going to take food out of their mouths and increase their suffering.
So he sentenced the guy to 6 weeks in the can, but here's the fun part. His sentence was to be served evenings, nights and weekends. In other words, he was released in the morning Mon-Fri to go to work then had to go back to jail every day after work and spend the night plus spend all weekend there.
Now, because he was going in and out on a daily basis, you just KNOW he was being "patted down" and probably worse, every time he had to go back.

Considering the offence, I thought it was very just and imaginative punishment.

[N_Fiddledog]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Now, the reason I am still on about this is because child abuse is one of the things that really pisses me off. In all its forms. If I did come out in favour of it I would like to apologize to the entire forum. If I didn't I'd like it cleared up.

PM me, I'll tell you how to find the thread. The thread was not about that issue. I forget how the subject of Levin and the TDSB came up there. It's not you coming out in favor of Child porn. It's you and another member marginalizing the issue; him treating it as a joke, you suggesting I had the problem for having a problem with the issue. I won't mention his name on a thread that has nothing to do with him. But that's how you'll find the thread. He doesn't post that often.

Looking back I'm sure it was just you thinking you were clever swooping into a thread to blind-side me with another insult, but at the time it felt to me like, "who are these silly progs, and how can they be so locked into their agendas they can't see how disgusting that is?"

But seriously do we really have to continue hijacking threads to have these personal discussions?

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Now, the reason I am still on about this is because child abuse is one of the things that really pisses me off. In all its forms. If I did come out in favour of it I would like to apologize to the entire forum. If I didn't I'd like it cleared up.

PM me, I'll tell you how to find the thread. The thread was not about that issue. I forget how the subject of Levin and the TDSB came up there. It's not you coming out in favor of Child porn. It's you and another member marginalizing the issue; him treating it as a joke, you suggesting I had the problem for having a problem with the issue. I won't mention his name on a thread that has nothing to do with him. But that's how you'll find the thread. He doesn't post that often.

Looking back I'm sure it was just you thinking you were clever swooping into a thread to blind-side me with another insult, but at the time it felt to me like, "who are these silly progs, and how can they be so locked into their agendas they can't see how disgusting that is?"

But seriously do we really have to continue hijacking threads to have these personal discussions?

My My! It appears there is no thread. Or there is? But it's not about me coming out for child porn? Or something. It's about the Dog feeling disrespected. Check! Happens.

[N_Fiddledog]

Didn't even read it Fifeboy. PM me if you have a personal problem. Stop hijacking threads.

[stratos]