[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

I'm curious why you would be so favorable to medical pot, but so down on general legalization? Just saw an interview with a doc who said there are absolutely no prescribing guidelines for pot. So nothing about what ailments it's meant to treat, dosage, effectiveness, side effects, etc. It's the wild west of drug prescription. He said so either docs just refuse to prescribe at all, or they just take the patients word for it as to how much they need and what for. Not a medical approach at all. Might as well just legalize the shit and let "patients" self-medicate. That's what many tokers are doing anyway, just like many boozers.

You should read my opinion before commenting on it. I've always supported legalization, and I even tends towards legalization of harder drugs. I've never accepted the kool aid offered by the agenda crusaders that it's a panacea to gang activity nor do I particularly like flagrant law breaking and tacit support for organized crime that the crusaders partake in to make the point that they should be able to indulge in whatever they want.

I buy that some gang activity will be curtailed, though honestly, without determining how legalization will work, that is pure speculation. Comparing pot to booze, as far as legalization and regulation, suggests a booze style production industry will spring up for pot, and I'm not convinced of that. I think organized crime will stick it out because they have deep pockets and can afford to undercut any competition.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

I don't smoke joints. Occasionally I do though......

Curious. You sound like Rob Ford.

Generally, I don't. It's one of the least effective ways of using it. A vapourizer is about the best delivery method you can find. Baking with it is good too, you can make butter with it, put it on a sandwich and nobody would ever know you're medicating.

If you're out to make a political statement though, smoking a big fatty on youtube is the way to go.

It's hardly a political statement since he is not allowed to cook with prescribed pot and a vaporizer has it's own problems.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

I don't smoke joints. Occasionally I do though......

Curious. You sound like Rob Ford.

Generally, I don't. It's one of the least effective ways of using it. A vapourizer is about the best delivery method you can find. Baking with it is good too, you can make butter with it, put it on a sandwich and nobody would ever know you're medicating.

If you're out to make a political statement though, smoking a big fatty on youtube is the way to go.

It was the denial side of your Rob Ford conflicting statement that makes it curious.

[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

andyt andyt:

I'm curious why you would be so favorable to medical pot, but so down on general legalization? Just saw an interview with a doc who said there are absolutely no prescribing guidelines for pot. So nothing about what ailments it's meant to treat, dosage, effectiveness, side effects, etc. It's the wild west of drug prescription. He said so either docs just refuse to prescribe at all, or they just take the patients word for it as to how much they need and what for. Not a medical approach at all. Might as well just legalize the shit and let "patients" self-medicate. That's what many tokers are doing anyway, just like many boozers.

You should read my opinion before commenting on it. I've always supported legalization, and I even tends towards legalization of harder drugs. I've never accepted the kool aid offered by the agenda crusaders that it's a panacea to gang activity nor do I particularly like flagrant law breaking and tacit support for organized crime that the crusaders partake in to make the point that they should be able to indulge in whatever they want.

I buy that some gang activity will be curtailed, though honestly, without determining how legalization will work, that is pure speculation. Comparing pot to booze, as far as legalization and regulation, suggests a booze style production industry will spring up for pot, and I'm not convinced of that. I think organized crime will stick it out because they have deep pockets and can afford to undercut any competition.

Guess I misunderstood because all I've seen you do is argue against any benefits to be derived from legalization. It's not a panacea, but if there's really no benefit to be had from it, why bother legalizing. I've never seen you take on the "keep this dangerous drug illegal" crowd with the same fervor.

I may be far more sceptical of medical pot than you are, but you don't see me going after the medical users for some of their over the top claims. If it works for them, even as a placebo, let em have it.

[Curtman]

andyt andyt:

Curt - when I've eaten hash, all it did was make me ill and not get high. Smoking it worked like a charm. So I think how you take it can also determine if it works for you or not.

I hope they come out with a cannabidiol pill soon. It seems to be the medicinal ingredient in pot and is not psychoactive. That would weed out the phony medical users, let the genuine ones take it like any other drug without impairment.

CBD (cannabidiol) is one of 85 cannabinoids found in the plant. It's been shown effective at treating some things, but not others. It's not the be-all and end-all of medicinal marijuana. It seems to be very effective at treating epilepsy and MS, but doesn't do a thing for pain management.



Eating hash isn't the same as baking.

[Jabberwalker]

That Mountie is getting what he deserves ... not for smoking pot but for allowing himself to be videoed while smoking pot in his Dress Scarlets. If you publically thumb your nose at the organization like that, expect that there will be consequences and suck it up.

Boo-hoo-hoo.

[Gunnair]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

That Mountie is getting what he deserves ... not for smoking pot but for allowing himself to be videoed while smoking pot in his Dress Scarlets. If you publically thumb your nose at the organization like that, expect that there will be consequences and suck it up.

Boo-hoo-hoo.

Yeah. If the guy had been caught on video popping a prescribed anti-depressant, he should have been bag hammered too, eh?

[Jabberwalker]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

That Mountie is getting what he deserves ... not for smoking pot but for allowing himself to be videoed while smoking pot in his Dress Scarlets. If you publically thumb your nose at the organization like that, expect that there will be consequences and suck it up.

Boo-hoo-hoo.

Yeah. If the guy had been caught on video popping a prescribed anti-depressant, he should have been bag hammered too, eh?

No, because he isn't in the business of busting other people that take prescribed anti-depressants. Marijuana smoking is not legal for the vast majority of us and the rest of us mere mortals could be arrested, convicted for doing what he did in his dress uniform. Double standard or what? His video was an -in-your-face provocation. If it isn't legal for the rest of us, don't play games like that. It's his attitude that has disrespected his uniform.

COPS ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW!!! Hard to believe, isn't it considering the sort of behaviors that we witness on a regular basis from cops?

[Curtman]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

No, because he isn't in the business of busting other people that take prescribed anti-depressants. Marijuana smoking is not legal for the vast majority of us and the rest of us mere mortals could be arrested, convicted for doing what he did in his dress uniform. Double standard or what?

You've hit the nail on the head here. He shouldn't be in that business, he should be enforcing public safety. He's now on the other side, being persecuted for a non-crime with no victim.

If he was in the business of hypocrisy he would keep his mouth shut and take his medicine hiding in the shadows. Ashamed and afraid.

[CanadianJeff]

Jabber you have a serious misconception about police duties. Believe it or not a cops job isn't to enforce the law it's to maintain the current order.

It's why we don't see cops marching in to arrest CEOs when they break the law and instead see them get a gentle slap on the wrist. It maintains the current order of how things are.

Cops are never going to be the ones to challenge or break the system to follow a law because it's in the books. They are a tool of the government to maintain order. Nothing more nothing less. They just use law as a tool to that end under the direction of their superiors.

[andyt]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

No, because he isn't in the business of busting other people that take prescribed anti-depressants. Marijuana smoking is not legal for the vast majority of us and the rest of us mere mortals could be arrested, convicted for doing what he did in his dress uniform.

That's right.

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

His video was an -in-your-face provocation. If it isn't legal for the rest of us, don't play games like that. It's his attitude that has disrespected his uniform.

That's right

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

COPS ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW!!! Hard to believe, isn't it considering the sort of behaviors that we witness on a regular basis from cops?

Yes, but his behavior isn't included in your sentence. He was not breaking the law, but contravening a rule set by his employer. A rule that may be found to be unreasonable if it comes to a human rights case.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Gunnair Gunnair:

andyt andyt:

I'm curious why you would be so favorable to medical pot, but so down on general legalization? Just saw an interview with a doc who said there are absolutely no prescribing guidelines for pot. So nothing about what ailments it's meant to treat, dosage, effectiveness, side effects, etc. It's the wild west of drug prescription. He said so either docs just refuse to prescribe at all, or they just take the patients word for it as to how much they need and what for. Not a medical approach at all. Might as well just legalize the shit and let "patients" self-medicate. That's what many tokers are doing anyway, just like many boozers.

You should read my opinion before commenting on it. I've always supported legalization, and I even tends towards legalization of harder drugs. I've never accepted the kool aid offered by the agenda crusaders that it's a panacea to gang activity nor do I particularly like flagrant law breaking and tacit support for organized crime that the crusaders partake in to make the point that they should be able to indulge in whatever they want.

I buy that some gang activity will be curtailed, though honestly, without determining how legalization will work, that is pure speculation. Comparing pot to booze, as far as legalization and regulation, suggests a booze style production industry will spring up for pot, and I'm not convinced of that. I think organized crime will stick it out because they have deep pockets and can afford to undercut any competition.

Guess I misunderstood because all I've seen you do is argue against any benefits to be derived from legalization. It's not a panacea, but if there's really no benefit to be had from it, why bother legalizing. I've never seen you take on the "keep this dangerous drug illegal" crowd with the same fervor.

I may be far more sceptical of medical pot than you are, but you don't see me going after the medical users for some of their over the top claims. If it works for them, even as a placebo, let em have it.

The pro-legalization crowd tends to be pro-legalization for more moral reasons, and they are likely as much knee jerking to the law breaking potheads that drape their narcissistic cause with the flag of libertarianism - the kind that is as intrusive on others rights as they claim prohibition is on theirs. Or they push back, like myself, at the unsubstantiated claims that organized crime will suddenly dwindle, and that all of those dealers by the playground will simply walk off and grab a Mcjob. Of course when pushed, they recant that, say that things will improve and again, suppose that all of those guys in the pot trade will, instead of finding a new product to peddle, will again go off and find a Mcjob.

In other words, I'm not convinced there are benefits of legalization as it will not reduce crime, but at best just shift it to a different product - like the prohibition of booze shifted organized crime to drugs, gambling, cigarettes, prostitution and people trafficking to name a few.

The only benefit I do see is we'll save some money on enforcement. Unlike others, I don't see us saving a fortune as I doubt Joe Lunchbox who enjoys a few joints a week is doing two years less a day for it.

[Gunnair]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

That Mountie is getting what he deserves ... not for smoking pot but for allowing himself to be videoed while smoking pot in his Dress Scarlets. If you publically thumb your nose at the organization like that, expect that there will be consequences and suck it up.

Boo-hoo-hoo.

Yeah. If the guy had been caught on video popping a prescribed anti-depressant, he should have been bag hammered too, eh?

No, because he isn't in the business of busting other people that take prescribed anti-depressants. Marijuana smoking is not legal for the vast majority of us and the rest of us mere mortals could be arrested, convicted for doing what he did in his dress uniform. Double standard or what? His video was an -in-your-face provocation. If it isn't legal for the rest of us, don't play games like that. It's his attitude that has disrespected his uniform.

COPS ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW!!! Hard to believe, isn't it considering the sort of behaviors that we witness on a regular basis from cops?

The cop never broke the law, and if he did, I'd be thrilled silly for a citation.

[Jabberwalker]

If you or I did what the Mountie did without a prescription, the same Mountie would be compelled to take some sort of action against us. Legal or not, blowing a joint in uniform and then broadcasting the fact is a BAD idea.

[OnTheIce]

Curtman Curtman:

Would you be OK with him popping Paxil in uniform instead of the best treatment available to him, because of the optics?

Of course I would be fine with that. You're not comparing drugs on the same level. What if alcohol made him feel better? Would it be acceptable for him to drink before work, at lunch and after work? Not at all.

Anti-depressants don't leave you impaired like pot or other strong pain medications do. If you're in the state where you need to take medication that leaves you unable to drive or function as normal, you need to take sick leave and stay home to get better.

Nobody seems to mind that this guy smokes dope and jumps behind the wheel of his car to get to and from work.