[Xort]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Xort Xort:

End of the story, in the military you do not call in sick, you report to the medical care unit.

Wrong.....again. A CO delegates authority in a division for the granting of non MO approved sick leave up to 2 days. That's part of QR&Os and unit SOPs and not a Xortpinion.

[Citation needed]

But lets pretend you are not just making stuff up and say that a CO may delegate the authority to grant non medical officer aproved sick days. The common practice is that all sick members must report for a medical exam then be granted a medical leave. In fact in this case the member was ordered to show up for a medical exam, and was charged for not doing so in a swift manner.

So your QR&O means fuck and all (like almost everything else you write), keep at it APS.

As such my statement stands a member does not call in sick, they report to the medical care unit.

[Freakinoldguy]

Found this on another forum and thought it might peak some interest.

Sailor fighting cancer says AWOL charges dropped
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... opped.html

So since the charges were withdrawn it would appear she's off the hook but I'd still like to be a fly on the wall of the Base Chief's Office just so I could find out the rational for the charges in the first place.

[421_434_226]

Xort, exactly where are you getting your information?
The last 15 years that I spent in the Canadian Forces we have been allowed to call in for a sick day, although locally you may be required to also report to the local medical facility.
By and large though you would be taken at your word and allowed the sick day, although in the eighties we had to report to work first which only allowed you to share the fun. Local rules may be changed to include limits on the number of days in a month or under what circumstances you will be required to report to sick parade.
Now the sick day call in is not a hard and fast rule depending on your history you may be required to report to the medics every time, even if you do report to the medics for sick parade you are still required to inform your chain of your location.

[Gunnair]

Xort Xort:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Xort Xort:

End of the story, in the military you do not call in sick, you report to the medical care unit.

Wrong.....again. A CO delegates authority in a division for the granting of non MO approved sick leave up to 2 days. That's part of QR&Os and unit SOPs and not a Xortpinion.

[Citation needed]

But lets pretend you are not just making stuff up and say that a CO may delegate the authority to grant non medical officer aproved sick days. The common practice is that all sick members must report for a medical exam then be granted a medical leave. In fact in this case the member was ordered to show up for a medical exam, and was charged for not doing so in a swift manner.

So your QR&O means fuck and all (like almost everything else you write), keep at it APS.

As such my statement stands a member does not call in sick, they report to the medical care unit.

No, you're wrong, painfull and laughably wrong. Clearly playing the lower deck lawyer didn't require you reading documentation of QR&Os or unit SOPs. He'll, check out the CAF leave manual as well. All great refs to read if you want to provide accurate commentary. Or, continue to dump Xortpinions into the mix to cause tittering amongst the masses.

[Gunnair]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Found this on another forum and thought it might peak some interest.

Sailor fighting cancer says AWOL charges dropped
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... opped.html

So since the charges were withdrawn it would appear she's off the hook but I'd still like to be a fly on the wall of the Base Chief's Office just so I could find out the rational for the charges in the first place.

Interesting. It appears people didn't like the negative media attention it was bringing. No surprise that negative attention occurred and it's a pity no one put some good thought into this before proceeding with charges.

[Gunnair]

421_434_226 421_434_226:

Xort, exactly where are you getting your information?
The last 15 years that I spent in the Canadian Forces we have been allowed to call in for a sick day, although locally you may be required to also report to the local medical facility.
By and large though you would be taken at your word and allowed the sick day, although in the eighties we had to report to work first which only allowed you to share the fun. Local rules may be changed to include limits on the number of days in a month or under what circumstances you will be required to report to sick parade.
Now the sick day call in is not a hard and fast rule depending on your history you may be required to report to the medics every time, even if you do report to the medics for sick parade you are still required to inform your chain of your location.

Xort is one of those retired corporals that, after five years of dedicated service, has opted to move on. The knowledge of the CAF and its policies reflect his vast experience.

[2Cdo]

Gunnair Gunnair:

421_434_226 421_434_226:

Xort, exactly where are you getting your information?
The last 15 years that I spent in the Canadian Forces we have been allowed to call in for a sick day, although locally you may be required to also report to the local medical facility.
By and large though you would be taken at your word and allowed the sick day, although in the eighties we had to report to work first which only allowed you to share the fun. Local rules may be changed to include limits on the number of days in a month or under what circumstances you will be required to report to sick parade.
Now the sick day call in is not a hard and fast rule depending on your history you may be required to report to the medics every time, even if you do report to the medics for sick parade you are still required to inform your chain of your location.

Xort is one of those retired corporals that, after five years of dedicated service, has opted to move on. The knowledge of the CAF and its policies reflect his vast experience.

Did he even make it that far?

xort xort:

But lets pretend you are not just making stuff up and say that a CO may delegate the authority to grant non medical officer aproved sick days. The common practice is that all sick members must report for a medical exam then be granted a medical leave. In fact in this case the member was ordered to show up for a medical exam, and was charged for not doing so in a swift manner.

So your QR&O means fuck and all (like almost everything else you write), keep at it APS.

As such my statement stands a member does not call in sick, they report to the medical care unit.

As gunny put it, you honestly don't have a fucking clue. You make dumb people look like Mensa candidates. If you were in my platoon overseas I'd have probably shot you myself for being such a moron.

[Brenda]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Found this on another forum and thought it might peak some interest.

Sailor fighting cancer says AWOL charges dropped
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... opped.html

So since the charges were withdrawn it would appear she's off the hook but I'd still like to be a fly on the wall of the Base Chief's Office just so I could find out the rational for the charges in the first place.

I have a couple of questions about this.

If she was set to leave the military on June 23rd anyway, what would happen if the charges were not dropped? Would the CM continue past that date? And then what? She was able to choose between CM and something else, right? What is the difference between the 2 and what would have happened there?

Because of the fact she is set to leave, would her lawyers have advised her to choose CM instead of the other one, knowing they would not be able to continue after she left? (just assuming that is the way it goes...)

I know, could've-s, would've-s, but I'm just curious

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Found this on another forum and thought it might peak some interest.

Sailor fighting cancer says AWOL charges dropped
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... opped.html

So since the charges were withdrawn it would appear she's off the hook but I'd still like to be a fly on the wall of the Base Chief's Office just so I could find out the rational for the charges in the first place.

I have a couple of questions about this.

If she was set to leave the military on June 23rd anyway, what would happen if the charges were not dropped? Would the CM continue past that date? And then what? She was able to choose between CM and something else, right? What is the difference between the 2 and what would have happened there?

Because of the fact she is set to leave, would her lawyers have advised her to choose CM instead of the other one, knowing they would not be able to continue after she left? (just assuming that is the way it goes...)

I know, could've-s, would've-s, but I'm just curious

At the very least, the advantage of a CM is that you have a lawyer represent you whereas a summary trial there is no lawyer. Generally, they avoid electable offences unless they have an outstanding case because they will often go to a CM where a defence lawyer can have at the case. It has to be pretty solid though I've seen CMs occur that were not. This is ultimately lose/lose for the CAF since on the one hand it got a ton of needlessly bad press over this and secondly, the sudden back pedaling with the dropping of the charges infers that the shaping of military is a phone call to the CBC away.

[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

I have a couple of questions about this.

If she was set to leave the military on June 23rd anyway, what would happen if the charges were not dropped? Would the CM continue past that date? And then what? She was able to choose between CM and something else, right? What is the difference between the 2 and what would have happened there?

Because of the fact she is set to leave, would her lawyers have advised her to choose CM instead of the other one, knowing they would not be able to continue after she left? (just assuming that is the way it goes...)

I know, could've-s, would've-s, but I'm just curious

At the very least, the advantage of a CM is that you have a lawyer represent you whereas a summary trial there is no lawyer. Generally, they avoid electable offences unless they have an outstanding case because they will often go to a CM where a defence lawyer can have at the case. It has to be pretty solid though I've seen CMs occur that were not.

Ah, ok, thank you

$1:

This is ultimately lose/lose for the CAF since on the one hand it got a ton of needlessly bad press over this and secondly, the sudden back pedaling with the dropping of the charges infers that the shaping of military is a phone call to the CBC away.

That was my first thought too. It makes them look very weak, actually.

Would this have dragged on till after she left? Is that possible?

[stratos]

$1:

Would this have dragged on till after she left? Is that possible?

From what the artical said the CM was expected to take about a week. Her cancer and treatment might have made it about a 2-3 week process. Not sure about CAF but for the US armed forces if convicted to jail you would have to serve out the time before being discharged. From what the charges where the worse I suspect she would have gotten if found guilty was loss of pay and reduction of rank along with a dishonerable discharge. I do not see how her date of leaving the service would have been affected by all this unless the CM was needed to be delayed do to her illness.

Not sure about the CAF's contract but I know my US Army one had a clause that basicly stated they could extend my time in service for varying reasons. I would suspect that a CM hearing going beyond my ETS (End Time in Service) date would have caused that clause to be envoked.

[stratos]

Is calling in sick a common thing in the CAF? As far as I know we did not have that in the Army. The closest I can compare it to would be for a person not living on post calling his HQ and saying he/she is not showing up to morning formation because they are headed to sick call. Is this what you all mean by calling in sick or can you just call your CO and say hey i'm sick as a dog I wont be in today?

My own personal experiance with sick call is only one time and that was while I lived in the barracks. I had over 100 red ant bites from morning PT. I was covered in hives so I just walked into my platton SGT's office told him I was headed to sick call and walked over. It was about a mile walk and really dumb for me to do because I was in Anaphylactic shock.

Long story short this was during my 3rd year in the army. The medic CO was amazed that I never had been on sick call before. They were being inspected by a General that day and I was pointed out to him. His eyes bulged when he found out that in 3 yrs in the Army I had never gone on sick call. My company medic got an award for basicly knowing one of his troops so well (me) that the moment he saw me knew I was in bad shape and insited I be treated immedately. This was on one of the manditory training days when everyone wants to be sick to get out of training and the waiting room was packed full of ppl who got there before me. The results was I was given a benidril and given a half day off of duty. Basicly that was lay in the hospital bed and chill. Even though I was better an hour or so after I took the pill.

[ShepherdsDog]

I often had to report for work severely dehydrated and puking my guts out.....just like everyone else on my watch. Everyone carried a garbage bag.

I remember showing up 1/2 hour late. I was bringing my granduncle on a dependant's day cruise. Didn't get charged, but I was put on the volunteer list for an honour guard at the Royal Vancouver Yacht Club. Ended up getting drinks and good food out of it in the end

[stratos]

$1:

I often had to report for work severely dehydrated and puking my guts out.....just like everyone else on my watch. Everyone carried a garbage bag.

Sounds like every day after our return from deployments. Entire platoon would be at best still drunk. Best because they were not puking or looking like death warmed over. Couldn't march worth a dam but could stand still long enough for morning formation.

[DVC185]

Yes Brenda, the CM could continue after her effective date of release. In fact, we have brought people back after their release from the CF to charge, try and convict.

It was truly great for morale to have the troops see a thud brought back to face the music when they thought they could get away with whatever it was by releasing from the CF.

Here is the relevant section of the Act http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts ... ge-19.html

And to establish my bona fides, as if that matters on the interwebs thingy, I was five weeks shy of 37 years of service and retired as a Chief Warrant Officer.