[Curtman]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Funny last time I checked Jesus was pretty discriminatory.

I mean if you don't worship the dude he's such a huge bully he will throw your ass into a fire of eternal torture.

No Jesus isn't a discriminatory asshole at all.

That's only a fairy tale. And in it he says:

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“Do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.”—Matthew 23:9

Or something like that, depending on which version of the book you've got.

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They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

And a bunch of crap like that.

And last but not least,

Superman I:

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Lois Lane: What color underwear am I wearing?
Superman: [looking] Hmmm...
Lois Lane: Oh, I'm sorry, I embarrassed you, didn't I?
Superman: Oh, no, no, no, not at all, Miss Lane, it's just that this planter must be made of lead.
Lois Lane: Uh, yes it is. So?
Superman: Well, you see, I, uh, I sort of have a problem seeing through lead.
Lois Lane: Oh, that's interesting.
Lois Lane: [Writing] Problem seeing through lead. Hmmm. Uh, d-do you have a first name?
Superman: What do you mean, like, uh, Ralph or something?
Lois Lane: No, no, I mean like...
[walks away from the planter]
Superman: Pink.
Lois Lane: Huh?
Superman: Pink.
[Lois walks back to the planter]
Superman: Um, sorry, Miss Lane, I didn't mean to embarrass you.

[CanadianJeff]

Yeah because not putting someone to death for something like adultery really makes up for throwing billions into eternal torture.

It's like saying a school bully should get off because he bought someone lunch with the money he stole putting someones head in a toilet.

[Curtman]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Yeah because not putting someone to death for something like adultery really makes up for throwing billions into eternal torture.

It's like saying a school bully should get off because he bought someone lunch with the money he stole putting someones head in a toilet.

I don't think most Christians actually believe any of that nonsense. They're too caught up in their "community", sharing, and helping to be out stoning gays and adulterers. I think if you ask most Christians (at least from my experience) they believe something along the lines of the pearly gates, and judgement based on what kind of person you are. You're a good guy, you say sorry, in you go. Eternal bliss and lolypops or whatever.

To me the whole thing seems nuts. Why any being would want to organize that kind of thing without any proof of it whatsoever to test peoples faith without giving them a last chance to say, wooops sorry. Instead of just creating people who cease to exist. Seems a lot like the kid on his front steps frying ants with a magnifying glass. If that's how things are, I would not worship that God.

The disconnect that seems to happen from "normal" Christians, and these Christian Activist types seems to be that they think they should impose "God's will" on others. It's amazing to me that people who call themselves Christians are actually fighting for the right to bully homosexuals. I don't go to Steinbach unless the kids have a soccer game there though.

I believe we are all the buddha, playing his game, living life in hundreds of billions of different ways, just for the fun of it. That's what I choose to believe, because given the alternatives it makes much more sense.

[Gunnair]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Funny last time I checked Jesus was pretty discriminatory.

I mean if you don't worship the dude he's such a huge bully he will throw your ass into a fire of eternal torture.

No Jesus isn't a discriminatory asshole at all.

You've met him? Or were you reading after the fact attributes and actions ascribed to him decades later by politically minded people?

Pity you didn't do a pause 2..3.. before knee jerking your thoughtless dislike of all things religion.

[Curtman]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/15 ... alliances/

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“Orthodox Judaism believes in the sanctity of the Bible that rejects homosexuality, as do other great religions,” reads a letter to Premier Greg Selinger by Rabbi Avrohom Altein of Winnipeg.

“It would be the height of intolerance to ban a religious group from teaching and practising as it believes.”
...
A similar bill caused controversy last year in Ontario when Catholic church leaders said their religious freedom was being compromised. However, it eventually passed last June.

Altein’s letter was released Friday by Conservative MP Rod Bruinooge

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/st ... iance.html

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Ontario's anti-bullying bill, also known as Bill 13 or the Accepting Schools Act, passed through the legislature just before noon today by a margin of 65-36. Only the Progressive Conservatives voted against the legislation.

Catholic educators and church leaders oppose the bill because it requires schools to allow students to call anti-homophobia clubs gay-straight alliances if they wish.

Interesting that Ontario's decision is okay by the charter, but for some reason Vic thinks Steinbach should allow bullying because it disallowing it means persecution.

Why is the CPC so interested in Manitoba provincial politics?

[ShepherdsDog]

Ummmmm ......Toews is because he's the MP for the riding of Provencher (which includes Steinbach) and is also the Minister responsible for Manitoba.....sort of obvious why he's taken a personal interest in the matter.

[Curtman]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Ummmmm ......Toews is because he's the MP for the riding of Provencher (which includes Steinbach) and is also the Minister responsible for Manitoba.....sort of obvious why he's taken a personal interest in the matter.

Not really, both of them should be smart enough to know that this amendment doesn't put any restriction in any way shape or form about what religious institutions teach or practice.

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Education Minister Nancy Allan said Friday she will not back down.

“We know clearly that young people need to be protected in this particular area. We know clearly that young people who are gay have higher rates of depression and mental health issues, they talk about suicide, they are harassed and bullied,” she said.

Allan said a gay-straight alliance is simply a venue in which students can share their feelings and get support.

“You’re just providing a space for young people to talk.”

They are free to preach hellfire and brimstone in their "classrooms" still.

[ShepherdsDog]

Both of them? Toews is both the MP representing Steinbach and the Minister responsible for Manitoba. He's representing the interests of those who elected him. Being a social conservative he also shares the same beliefs of those who have a problem accepting gay teens. I don't agree with his or their stance but I can understand why he ..as a politician and a Mennonite .. would become involved in he issue. Even in his role as MoPS he has an interest in this.

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They are free to preach hellfire and brimstone in their "classrooms" still.

Do you even know any Mennonites.....obviously not if this is what you think they are about.

[Curtman]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Both of them? Toews is both the MP representing Steinbach and the Minister responsible for Manitoba. He's representing the interests of those who elected him. Being a social conservative he also shares the same beliefs of those who have a problem accepting gay teens. I don't agree with his or their stance but I can understand why he ..as a politician and a Mennonite .. would become involved in he issue. Even in his role as MoPS he has an interest in this.

Both as in Vic Toews and Rod Bruinooge.

Both are claiming that religious groups are being forced to do something, when in fact it forces them not to do something if-and-only-if they are a public school.

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But Altein said a gay-straight alliance would be the same as a group demanding non-kosher food in school.

People don't choose to be gay. It's not quite the same as selecting food off of a menu. It's not like people get bullied because they like pastrami sandwiches, and something needs to be done about that. It's not like pastrami people have high suicide rates from stress of bullies.

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

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They are free to preach hellfire and brimstone in their "classrooms" still.

Do you even know any Mennonites.....obviously not if this is what you think they are about.

I'm not speaking about Mennonites at all.

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released Friday by Conservative MP Rod Bruinooge, along with letters from Muslim, Sikh and Coptic leaders.
Bruinooge said there is “a very wide group of faith communities” opposed to the bill.

I'm speaking generally about religious groups who believe they can make judgements on what other people do as opposed to using religion to guide their own behaviour. And specifically about public schools whether or not religion is involved.

[ShepherdsDog]

As I've stated before...as long as they are recipients of public funds they have to follow public policy. As a completely private school they can set their own policies constrained only by the criminal code and charter

[raydan]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

As I've stated before...as long as they are recipients of public funds they have to follow public policy. As a completely private school they can set their own policies constrained only by the criminal code and charter

So what's the problem, if the bill passes, they'll change their policies accordingly.

[Curtman]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

As I've stated before...as long as they are recipients of public funds they have to follow public policy. As a completely private school they can set their own policies constrained only by the criminal code and charter

I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I just wondered why the CPC has decided to wade into public education in Manitoba.

[Gunnair]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Yeah because not putting someone to death for something like adultery really makes up for throwing billions into eternal torture.

It's like saying a school bully should get off because he bought someone lunch with the money he stole putting someones head in a toilet.

Ignorance round two. Can't help yourself it seems, eh Jeff?

[ShepherdsDog]

Curtman Curtman:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

As I've stated before...as long as they are recipients of public funds they have to follow public policy. As a completely private school they can set their own policies constrained only by the criminal code and charter

I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I just wondered why the CPC has decided to wade into public education in Manitoba.

Toews and the other social conservatives in the CPC want to make it an issue

[Curtman]

It's unfortunate...

I was just reading this.

From 'Bible Bill' to Stephen Harper, the evolution of faith-based politics

I'd rather they stuck to their focus on the economy mantra than stick up for bullies to win votes.