[2Cdo]

Curtman Curtman:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I couldn't resist.

I hope we can continue this discussion without the attacks. It's strayed very far from the man-arrested-for-having-a-dog story. But that was BS right from the beginning.

I'd love to but your affection for seeing everything Israel does as bad and refusing to acknowledge that there is far more hatred coming from those surrounding them leads me to think it's not worth my time. Sorry.

[Curtman]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Curtman Curtman:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I couldn't resist.

I hope we can continue this discussion without the attacks. It's strayed very far from the man-arrested-for-having-a-dog story. But that was BS right from the beginning.

I'd love to but your affection for seeing everything Israel does as bad and refusing to acknowledge that there is far more hatred coming from those surrounding them leads me to think it's not worth my time. Sorry.

The truth is, I couldn't care less what Israel, or Iran does. When my PM announces that we support tyranny, I get a bit worked up about it.

[BartSimpson]

Curtman Curtman:

The truth is, I couldn't care less what Israel, or Iran does. When my PM announces that we support tyranny, I get a bit worked up about it.

Give your home to a First Nations family free of charge before you piously pass judgment on anyone else.

[2Cdo]

Curtman Curtman:

The truth is, I couldn't care less what Israel, or Iran does. When my PM announces that we support tyranny, I get a bit worked up about it.

Yet when Chretein and the Libs were cozying up to the Pals you considered that good politics.

I'm done here. It's like talking to a wall.

[Curtman]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Curtman Curtman:

The truth is, I couldn't care less what Israel, or Iran does. When my PM announces that we support tyranny, I get a bit worked up about it.

Give your home to a First Nations family free of charge before you piously pass judgment on anyone else.

I didn't take anything from anyone.

Israeli cabinet set to approve grants for building hotels in West Bank settlements

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Aug.01, 2012
A special panel will propose that the government give grants for building hotels in West Bank settlements near Jerusalem to absorb some of the the high demand for hotel rooms in the capital.

A new interministerial committee of experts convened this year to designate priority areas for the coming years; it is expected to hand its proposals to the cabinet soon. According to a separate study, Jerusalem could suffer a shortage of accommodations in the future.

The "administrative grants," as they are known, provide state support for 20 percent of the cost of construction of hotels with at least 25 rooms. They provide 10 percent support for construction of other tourist attractions.

Grants have only been provided within Israel proper, not the West Bank. In 2007, a special committee mapped out the country's priority areas that were eligible for grants.

The recommendations were to remain in force until last year, but they were extended for another year based on a joint order by the tourism and finance ministers. This year the budget for such grants is NIS 76 million.

You support this unhindered expansion of Israel's border? Would you claim your neighbours property, free of charge?

[FieryVulpine]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I'm done here. It's like talking to a wall.

Yup, there is nothing to gain by talking to an idiot who blindly supports genocidal tyrants.

[BartSimpson]

Curtman Curtman:

I didn't take anything from anyone.

Yet you don't mind enjoyng what someone else took for you.

[BartSimpson]

Curtman Curtman:

You support this unhindered expansion of Israel's border? Would you claim your neighbours property, free of charge?

At least half of the West Bank was legally in Jewish hands prior to 1948 and there are still Jews and Israeli Arabs who go to court to press their legal claims against the squatters who moved in after 1948 during the Jordanian occupation. Therefore it is not claiming a neighbor's property, it is merely taking it back from a squatter.

And if you want to 'give back' the West Bank to anyone then that anyone is rightfully...Israel.

[ShepherdsDog]

The Jordanians(70+% of whom claim to be Palestinian) annexed the West Bank after 1948, seeing as 85% of the Mandate wasn't enough. The Jews were actually short changed in the deal, which was set up to create two states, one Jewish(Israel) and the other Arab(Jordan)...there never was a plan for a multiple state deal. The Arab invaders ended up driving out the Jews who had lived in the West Bank since it was known as Judea. Up until the the late 60s Palestinian was a term used to refer to the Jews living in the area, not the Arabs.

[Curtman]

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I'm done here. It's like talking to a wall.

Yup, there is nothing to gain by talking to an idiot who blindly supports genocidal tyrants.

The epeen thing was mentioned previously. As was the false dichotomy (AKA Toewsing) many times. Anything else to say about it?

[FieryVulpine]

Curtman Curtman:

The epeen thing was mentioned previously. As was the false dichotomy (AKA Toewsing) many times. Anything else to say about it?

Yes, the accusation of "False Dichotomy/Toewsing" is a fallacy that invalidates your entire argument because you do not want to address the bigotry and tyranny of Hamas and Fatah.

Adios, I have spent enough time conversing with hypocrites for one day.

[Curtman]

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:

Curtman Curtman:

The epeen thing was mentioned previously. As was the false dichotomy (AKA Toewsing) many times. Anything else to say about it?

Yes, the accusation of "False Dichotomy/Toewsing" is a fallacy that invalidates your entire argument because you do not want to address the bigotry and tyranny of Hamas and Fatah.

Adios, I have spent enough time conversing with hypocrites for one day.

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A false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, fallacy of false choice, black-and-white thinking, or the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses) is a type of logical fallacy that involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there is at least one additional option. The options may be a position that is between the two extremes (such as when there are shades of grey) or may be a completely different alternative.

You do not have to support Hamas or Fatah to end unconditional support for Israel. It invalidates your argument because you have none, other than blind hatred for them.

[ShepherdsDog]

You've garnered this great wisdom about complex problems from living your life within the Perimeter Hwy? Funny how you seem to portray hating a terrorist group as a bad thing....hmmmm

[andyt]

Whatever. The reality is there the Palestinians are. You really support driving them into the Jordan? Israel certainly does't want to absorb them, it would be ethnic/cultural/religious (pick any that seem to apply) suicide. Israel has been accused of apartheid, do they really plan to create some Bantustans to fester among their midst? I don't see anywhere for Israel to go but a two state solution, unless they're willing to do the same ethnic cleansing they accuse the Palestinians of plotting.

Pretty sticky wicket all around.

[ShepherdsDog]

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Israel has been accused of apartheid, do they really plan to create some Bantustans to fester among their midst?

Israeli Arabs(Druze, Bedouins and former Mandate Arabs.. both Muslim and Christian) are plenty happy with their citizenship and the freedoms they enjoy. When asked in a poll, most(63 - 70% with younger males in the higher percentile) would choose to remain Israelis, even if a new Arab state were created on the West Bank, and offered them citizenship. Go spend some time on the ground there, you'll find the reality a little different than what you've garnered watching TV and reading some newspapers. Interesting thing you are most likely unaware of, most of the IDF 'policing' the Palestinian towns are Arab Israeli volunteers....yup the soldiers you see firing at insurgents and restoring order are often Arabs themselves.....Yeah, so... whatever.