[Wally_Sconce]

non custodial fathers can be put on maintenance. Meaning the mother gets paid each and every month by the courts, and the courts go after the father. As long as the father is a productive member of society, they'll get their money out of him.

Meanwhile, the father's visitation rights are not cancelled if he can't or won't pay.

it seems more civilized this way.

[Brenda]

And the mom is not home when the father knocks on the door to pick up his kid. For the 17th time...

[Wally_Sconce]

My brother had an ex-wife pull that crap on her. She stopped when he started having the local pastor sign and witness every incident. It sucks to live a couple doors down from a pastor.

[DerbyX]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Whereas Planned Parenthood does not lie to young women considering abortion? Please.

CPCs may advocate for carrying a child to term, that is not problematic, but it would be if they were providing misinformation.

The "morning after pill" is an abortifacient. It causes a woman to abort a fetus, does it not?

Abortions can be very painful and life-threatening, although this is usually not the case. There are very serious medical concerns here. This is not misinformation.

No they do not. They present all options honestly because their responsibility is to their patients, the women.

Thats the difference.

CPCs and related groups have one goal and thats to prevent abortions at all costs. They do not consider lying or intimidation, or any insidious tactic they do to meet that goal because ultimately they feel that stopping abortion outweighs all other considerations.

Planned parenthood and any honest pregnancy counselling service employed by clinic are by definition designed to present all information so the patient can make the best choice for them.

They don't have an abortion quota and they aren't pushing women to get abortions. They provide a non-judgemental environment where a women can make an informed choice.

Its quite clear which side uses deceit as its greatest weapon and quite clearly they are the religious fanatics pursuing a single agenda.

[Pseudonym]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Whereas Planned Parenthood does not lie to young women considering abortion? Please.

CPCs may advocate for carrying a child to term, that is not problematic, but it would be if they were providing misinformation.

The "morning after pill" is an abortifacient. It causes a woman to abort a fetus, does it not?

Abortions can be very painful and life-threatening, although this is usually not the case. There are very serious medical concerns here. This is not misinformation.

No they do not. They present all options honestly because their responsibility is to their patients, the women.

Thats the difference.

CPCs and related groups have one goal and thats to prevent abortions at all costs. They do not consider lying or intimidation, or any insidious tactic they do to meet that goal because ultimately they feel that stopping abortion outweighs all other considerations.

Planned parenthood and any honest pregnancy counselling service employed by clinic are by definition designed to present all information so the patient can make the best choice for them.

They don't have an abortion quota and they aren't pushing women to get abortions. They provide a non-judgemental environment where a women can make an informed choice.

Its quite clear which side uses deceit as its greatest weapon and quite clearly they are the religious fanatics pursuing a single agenda.

Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger, was a eugenicist that advocated forced sterilization of "unfit" people. They are a taxpayer-funded organization that advocates for abortion on demand. The pills that they press on women have devastating medical side-effects, which can lead to cancer or worse. They fight againstlaws that would inform parents, and press young women into abortion clinics without fully informing them of the risks.

CPCs may also have an anti-abortion agenda, but at least they don't murder young women.

[DerbyX]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger, was a eugenicist that advocated forced sterilization of "unfit" people. They are a taxpayer-funded organization that advocates for abortion on demand. The pills that they press on women have devastating medical side-effects, which can lead to cancer or worse. They fight againstlaws that would inform parents, and press young women into abortion clinics without fully informing them of the risks.

CPCs may also have an anti-abortion agenda, but at least they don't murder young women.

No. In fact The Nation Birth Control League was founded in 1916 under Mary Dennett which later became the Amerioan Birth Control League under her and then eventually Planned Parenthood.

She was not the founded nor its sole visionary despite her eugenic beliefs that tarnished her reputation, tarnishment you seem not to see in the unsavory tactics of CPCs and their ilk.

Unlike CPCs they have championed birth control education and availability as well as providing female specific health services.

Again, unlike CPCs, they provide all choices equally with as much information as they can so the women can make a non-judgemented informed choice.

They don't intimidate women and they don't violate confidentiality soemthing CPCs do as a matter of course.

As for your murder crack well that just shows your complete lack of information on the subject. Birth has been known to kill women BTW.

[Benoit]

If Christianity would value fetus and newborns, it would baptize them sooner.

[DerbyX]

Benoit Benoit:

If Christianity would value fetus and newborns, it would baptize them sooner.

Why is that? Aside from the practical impossibility of baptizing a fetus under church doctrine why should it make any difference in the world.

Is your god so hateful that it would condem to purgatory a newborn who dies before baptism?

[Benoit]

lily lily:

Benoit Benoit:

If Christianity would value fetus and newborns, it would baptize them sooner.

Not all Christians believe in infant baptism.

Waaaaay off topic, therefore I will not address it.

[Brenda]

Benoit Benoit:

lily lily:

Benoit Benoit:

If Christianity would value fetus and newborns, it would baptize them sooner.

Not all Christians believe in infant baptism.

Waaaaay off topic, and I will not address it.

Waaaaay dodged.

Hun, if you valued our intelligence, you would quit your one-liners...

[DerbyX]

Benoit Benoit:

lily lily:

Benoit Benoit:

If Christianity would value fetus and newborns, it would baptize them sooner.

Not all Christians believe in infant baptism.

Waaaaay off topic, and I will not address it.

Why not? Its a valid point and deserves addressing considering your post.

[Benoit]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Benoit Benoit:

If Christianity would value fetus and newborns, it would baptize them sooner.

Why is that? Aside from the practical impossibility of baptizing a fetus under church doctrine why should it make any difference in the world.

Is your god so hateful that it would condem to purgatory a newborn who dies before baptism?

It is not a question of hate but of rationality.

[DerbyX]

Benoit Benoit:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Benoit Benoit:

If Christianity would value fetus and newborns, it would baptize them sooner.

Why is that? Aside from the practical impossibility of baptizing a fetus under church doctrine why should it make any difference in the world.

Is your god so hateful that it would condem to purgatory a newborn who dies before baptism?

It is not a question of hate but of rationality.

No its hate. Your reason for wanting them baptised in the womb if necessary is so that if they die before normal baptismal time they won't be condemned to limbo or purgatory or whatever isn't it?

The whole original sin thing right? Every human being is automatically a sinner because of what adam did eh?

That to me is the definition of irrationality and hatred.

[Benoit]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Benoit Benoit:

It is not a question of hate but of rationality.

No its hate. Your reason for wanting them baptised in the womb if necessary is so that if they die before normal baptismal time they won't be condemned to limbo or purgatory or whatever isn't it?

The whole original sin thing right? Every human being is automatically a sinner because of what adam did eh?

That to me is the definition of irrationality and hatred.

God is not discounting the future like humans do.

[Pseudonym]

DerbyX DerbyX:

No. In fact The Nation Birth Control League was founded in 1916 under Mary Dennett which later became the Amerioan Birth Control League under her and then eventually Planned Parenthood.

Mery Dennett helped found the National Birth Control League (NBCL) and led the organization from 1915 until 1918. The NBCL disintegrated in 1919 as Mary Dennett created a new organization, the Voluntary Parenthood League (VPL), which became the principal rival of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL) during the 1920s.

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She was not the founded nor its sole visionary despite her eugenic beliefs that tarnished her reputation, tarnishment you seem not to see in the unsavory tactics of CPCs and their ilk.

Unsavory tactics? How is advocating against something you sincerely regard as murder "unsavory?" I grant that if they try to present themselves as a completely unbiased party, that would be wrong, but how is their perspective harming anyone?

$1:

Unlike CPCs they have championed birth control education and availability as well as providing female specific health services.

As is to be expected.

$1:

Again, unlike CPCs, they provide all choices equally with as much information as they can so the women can make a non-judgemented informed choice.

I strongly disagree here. Planned Parenthood does not present keeping the fetus as as viable an option as abortion. Them trying to present themselves as unbiased is at least as wrong as CPCs attempting to do so, if such a thing occurs.

$1:

They don't intimidate women and they don't violate confidentiality soemthing CPCs do as a matter of course.

Violating confidentiality? Do you mean neglecting to report statutory rape and other crimes? Planned Parenthood has been known to do so.

$1:

As for your murder crack well that just shows your complete lack of information on the subject. Birth has been known to kill women BTW.

Birth is natural, although it may be an assisted. A doctor performing an abortion is decidedly not so.