[Brenda]

Well, then the pro-life crowd as you state it are far from reality

I think it depends btw, whether the man has to get involved or not. Depends on the circumstances, but it will always be the womans decision, as she is the one to undergo the treatment. The same way you can't force a woman to abort, you can't force a woman to not abort either... But, by talking a lot about it, she (or he) could change her/his mind.
And as a pro-choicer, I would like to see the choice go to not abort. If that happens, both are resonsible.

[Pseudonym]

I consider the man to be involved once he consents to engage in intercourse, so I would consider him obligated regardless of the outcome.

[Brenda]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

I consider the man to be involved once he consents to engage in intercourse, so I would consider him obligated regardless of the outcome.

Well, it is kinda hard if you think about the situation I sketched earlier in this thread.

Reality is, a lot of men (and women too, because they fall for it...) just want a f*ck. Whenever it goes wrong, he can easily turn around and walk away. She can't.

To consider the man equaly responsible is a very noble, yet naive thought...

[TattoodGirl]

Everyone has a choice before intercourse to use protection...in no way should it only be on the women...yes the man is equally responsible. He can fork out cash for condoms too

[Pseudonym]

Brenda Brenda:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

I consider the man to be involved once he consents to engage in intercourse, so I would consider him obligated regardless of the outcome.

Well, it is kinda hard if you think about the situation I sketched earlier in this thread.

Reality is, a lot of men (and women too, because they fall for it...) just want a f*ck. Whenever it goes wrong, he can easily turn around and walk away. She can't.

To consider the man equaly responsible is a very noble, yet naive thought...

You just summed up my entire personality. I am, in fact, an idealist (and I might like to add "and noble") in my opinions. However, I do realize that this happens rarely in practice. It saddens me, but what can I do?

[Brenda]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Brenda Brenda:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

I consider the man to be involved once he consents to engage in intercourse, so I would consider him obligated regardless of the outcome.

Well, it is kinda hard if you think about the situation I sketched earlier in this thread.

Reality is, a lot of men (and women too, because they fall for it...) just want a f*ck. Whenever it goes wrong, he can easily turn around and walk away. She can't.

To consider the man equaly responsible is a very noble, yet naive thought...

You just summed up my entire personality. I am, in fact, an idealist (and I might like to add "and noble") in my opinions. However, I do realize that this happens rarely in practice. It saddens me, but what can I do?

Not walk away when it happens to you

[TattoodGirl]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Brenda Brenda:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

I consider the man to be involved once he consents to engage in intercourse, so I would consider him obligated regardless of the outcome.

Well, it is kinda hard if you think about the situation I sketched earlier in this thread.

Reality is, a lot of men (and women too, because they fall for it...) just want a f*ck. Whenever it goes wrong, he can easily turn around and walk away. She can't.

To consider the man equaly responsible is a very noble, yet naive thought...

You just summed up my entire personality. I am, in fact, an idealist (and I might like to add "and noble") in my opinions. However, I do realize that this happens rarely in practice. It saddens me, but what can I do?

Condemn those that do this...support laws that enforce dead beat parents. And if you ever have a friend that does this...let them know how you feel. Never lose being an idealist, not enough in this world.

[Pseudonym]

Alright, now this is starting to get too nice. I feel like inciting angry diatribes by making controversial statements again.

[TattoodGirl]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Alright, now this is starting to get too nice. I feel like inciting angry diatribes by making controversial statements again.

Bring it Biotch!!!

But i agree with you on the responsibility of both parties...so no fight there...hmmmm im at a loss...im gonna go to the beach instead....CYA!!!

[Pseudonym]

Enjoy the beach...
and...
uh...
I hate kittens!

[TattoodGirl]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Enjoy the beach...
and...
uh...
I hate kittens!

Ciao!!!

[Wally_Sconce]

What if the man pays for an abortion, yet the woman uses her free will to not show up to the abortion clinic?

Is that not enough evidence to suggest that the women wants to raise the child on her own? yet the law states that the man, must pay support.

For the record, I agree that the man should pay because there is a living child. But, i have to admit that theres a discrepancy or double standard in how rights and responsibilities are played out in a situation like this.

[Pseudonym]

Yes, I agree that the discrepancy exists, but you could not consistently argue such a position unless you believe that it is not merely a part of the woman's body that is at stake here.

[Brenda]

I think only paying is not enough. Either you pay and have "visitation rights", or you don't pay, and father is unknown.

[Wally_Sconce]

consider the opposite situation where the man wants to be the father, but the mother is claiming the father is unknown.

In this case, the law favors the mother again. Because it's damn hard for the father to get the parental test performed, if the mother is denying everything.