[Pseudonym]

romanP romanP:

Abortion is only legal in the first trimester, not up until delivery.

Incorrect, at least in the US. I am not familiar with Canadian abortion law.

EDIT: I believe these are the current established conditions in the US:
Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion for any reason (on-demand) during the first trimester.
They allowed abortion to be legal in the second trimester if a medical reason necessitated it and required it to be done in a hospital and by a medical doctor.
Third trimester abortions are permitted only in the case of the exceptions - rape, incest or if the life of the mother is at risk.

Please feel free to correct/confirm as you are able.

[Benoit]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

romanP romanP:

Abortion is only legal in the first trimester, not up until delivery.

Incorrect, at least in the US.

Canada is another country.

[Brenda]

romanP romanP:

Abortion is only legal in the first trimester, not up until delivery.

Perfect

[Benoit]

Brenda Brenda:

romanP romanP:

Abortion is only legal in the first trimester, not up until delivery.

Perfect

Perfection is a moral matter, not a legal one.

[Brenda]

Benoit Benoit:

Brenda Brenda:

romanP romanP:

Abortion is only legal in the first trimester, not up until delivery.

Perfect

Perfection is a moral matter, not a legal one.

Okay, okay, let me rephrase it especially for you..

I think that the rules and regulations about abortion, being only legal in the first trimester, are good. We need some rules about it.

Too add, especially for you too, Benoit, this kinda suits the mood I'm in today...

[Benoit]

Brenda Brenda:

We need some rules about it.

The rules we need are rules that all implicated individuals find are worthy challenges to obey.

[Brenda]

Well, THAT will never happen. So screw all the rules!

[Benoit]

Brenda Brenda:

Well, THAT will never happen. So screw all the rules!

Your bad attitude and reasoning will change.

[Brenda]

Benoit Benoit:

Brenda Brenda:

Well, THAT will never happen. So screw all the rules!

Your bad attitude and reasoning will change.

Bad attitude... Me... Okayyyy...

You should grow a sense of humour sweety, and notice when people are sarcastic, full of irony, or just making a joke.

[Wally_Sconce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

By the time the pregnancy is detected at approx 4 weeks, most have a heart beat that is independant of the mother's heart beat, although the baby is still very dependant in other ways.

So what?

Actual heart muscle cells beat on their own. Seperate they beat in different rhythms but when actually physically touching each other they beat togeather. The heart beats even when you are brain dead.

Thats never been the point.

I think you meant "separate" and "together".

"We can approach abortion from many perspectives: Biological, embryological, genetic, philosophical, social and economic, at the very least. As for the first three – my approach as a scientist, physician, surgeon, and simply someone who finished medical school, is factual."

"There is no more pivotal moment in the subsequent growth and development of a human being than when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender, who had previously simply not existed. Period. No debate."

- Dr. Fritz Baumgartner, MD

[Pseudonym]

What are the key legal rulings and references regarding abortion in Canada? Can someone provide me with those?

EDIT: Fixed grammar.

[DerbyX]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

By the time the pregnancy is detected at approx 4 weeks, most have a heart beat that is independant of the mother's heart beat, although the baby is still very dependant in other ways.

So what?

Actual heart muscle cells beat on their own. Seperate they beat in different rhythms but when actually physically touching each other they beat togeather. The heart beats even when you are brain dead.

Thats never been the point.

I think you meant "separate" and "together".

"We can approach abortion from many perspectives: Biological, embryological, genetic, philosophical, social and economic, at the very least. As for the first three – my approach as a scientist, physician, surgeon, and simply someone who finished medical school, is factual."

"There is no more pivotal moment in the subsequent growth and development of a human being than when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender, who had previously simply not existed. Period. No debate."

- Dr. Fritz Baumgartner, MD

Again "so what"? IS he the defining authority? Nope. The women is.

A womens egg is just as viable a human being needing only a brief introduction to sperm and all those potential children men just throw away should be criminal.

No matter what you cannot excape the fact that birth absolutely requires the use of the woman body and if she decides she does not want to then thats it. Period.

No debate, no discussion, no coercion. Her body her decision.

You don't like it? Feel free to grow a womb and carry a child yourself.

[Benoit]

Brenda Brenda:

Benoit Benoit:

Brenda Brenda:

Well, THAT will never happen. So screw all the rules!

Your bad attitude and reasoning will change.

Bad attitude... Me... Okayyyy...

I was certain you would quickly show an openness to change.

[Wally_Sconce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

I think you meant "separate" and "together".

"We can approach abortion from many perspectives: Biological, embryological, genetic, philosophical, social and economic, at the very least. As for the first three – my approach as a scientist, physician, surgeon, and simply someone who finished medical school, is factual."

"There is no more pivotal moment in the subsequent growth and development of a human being than when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender, who had previously simply not existed. Period. No debate."

- Dr. Fritz Baumgartner, MD

Again "so what"? IS he the defining authority? Nope. The women is.

A womens egg is just as viable a human being needing only a brief introduction to sperm and all those potential children men just throw away should be criminal.

No matter what you cannot excape the fact that birth absolutely requires the use of the woman body and if she decides she does not want to then thats it. Period.

No debate, no discussion, no coercion. Her body her decision.

You don't like it? Feel free to grow a womb and carry a child yourself.

I was talking about when human life starts, its a matter of science. Period.

It's totally unnecessary for you to get hot headed, and upset about it. Derby, could you please not pull this 'problem personality' thing of yours on this topic?
I fear it is going to polarize the discussion.

[DerbyX]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

I was talking about when human life starts, its a matter of science. Period.

It's totally unnecessary for you to get hot headed, and upset about it. Derby, could you please not pull this 'problem personality' thing of yours on this topic?
I fear it is going to polarize the discussion.

Don't try and pull your BS nonesense where you try to call me a problem personality when it was in fact you being an asshole in all those other threads you are talking about.

Take a good look back through the thread and see the number of people supporting my posts.

The only person polarizing the thread and discouraging debate is you trying to look like some calming debate coordinator.

BTW, you can easily say that "life" begins with the start of the same brain wave patterns that we use to determine when life has ended even when the body still functions. We use that definition to determine when to harvest organs and "end" that persons life so its not unreasonable to use those same brain wave patterns for a legal definition of the start of life.