[andyt]

DerbyX DerbyX:

andyt andyt:

And it's immigration that's responsible for that? I thought it was our tighter banking regulation and that we export raw materials to countries that are still doing well.

We could have done better if we had a better immigration system.

To bad you can't prove that. Its certainly immigrants creating wealth that helped fuel it. They bring investments from companies looking to provide goods to a larger market. It is why companies were just itching to expand into the massive markets of China.

Oh, and your rant that Asians are now "dumping" more and more of their elderly into homes just cements it.

You are looking for reasons to hate them and reject them. Sounded just like the old Derek Vinyard rather then the reformed one.

You are fucking unbelievable. You start off with white people dumping their relatives in nursing homes, but when I point out the fact that Asian immigrants are starting to do the same because the Canadians lifestyle demands it, I'm ranting. Derby World I guess.

Immigration raises GDP by 1% at best. But since we import so many people, per capita GDP is actually lowered. It's been shown that immigration has depressed professional wages.

A lot of those companies trying to sell to china, rather than just take advantage of cheap labor to import back to Canada, are very sorry they did, since the corruption has caused them to lose big bucks. Look at the SinoForest scandal right now. Greedy businessmen getting their fingers burned.

[DerbyX]

andyt andyt:

DerbyX DerbyX:

andyt andyt:

And it's immigration that's responsible for that? I thought it was our tighter banking regulation and that we export raw materials to countries that are still doing well.

We could have done better if we had a better immigration system.

To bad you can't prove that. Its certainly immigrants creating wealth that helped fuel it. They bring investments from companies looking to provide goods to a larger market. It is why companies were just itching to expand into the massive markets of China.

Oh, and your rant that Asians are now "dumping" more and more of their elderly into homes just cements it.

You are looking for reasons to hate them and reject them. Sounded just like the old Derek Vinyard rather then the reformed one.

You are fucking unbelievable. You start off with white people dumping their relatives in nursing homes, but when I point out the fact that Asian immigrants are starting to do the same because the Canadians lifestyle demands it, I'm ranting. Derby World I guess.

Immigration raises GDP by 1% at best. But since we import so many people, per capita GDP is actually lowered. It's been shown that immigration has depressed professional wages.

A lot of those companies trying to sell to china, rather than just take advantage of cheap labor to import back to Canada, are very sorry they did, since the corruption has caused them to lose big bucks. Look at the SinoForest scandal right now. Greedy businessmen getting their fingers burned.

All you have done is rant and rave about how immigrants take jobs that Canadians can do, pay less taxes, use more service, and according to you become infirm quicker. When I point out that our society does a much shittier job at looking after our elderly you attempt to claim now "they are too".

If they are becoming more like us THEN they are paying their way as well.

You rants are nothing but rabid anti-immigrant nonsense.

[andyt]

DerbyX DerbyX:

All you have done is rant and rave about how immigrants take jobs that Canadians can do, pay less taxes, use more service, and according to you become infirm quicker. When I point out that our society does a much shittier job at looking after our elderly you attempt to claim now "they are too".

If they are becoming more like us THEN they are paying their way as well.

You rants are nothing but rabid anti-immigrant nonsense.

Your first sentence is all true except the last part. I didn't say they became infirm quicker overall, I refuted your pc, Derby in the sky, claim that they remained healthier. Sucks when your biases are disputedm huh?

The elderly we import will never pay their way. Immigrants since the 1980's are doing less well than native born Canadians. Before that, when Europe was the main source of immigration, the opposite was true.

Your rants are nothing but pc, wish the world worked this way, dreams.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Plus we got Brenda.

Which is a good thing according to some, not so good according to others, and the majority just does not give a damn

You didn't bring your mom and dad to Canada, and seem to have no intention of doing so. So that's good. Hubby must have a good job, since you bought a house, so that's good. You write good English, (better than a lot of native born Canadians) so that's good. If you're a successful immigrant, that's a good thing. Just keep moeder and vader and oma over there please.

My mom and dad are retired, and get a pension in Holland as well as OAS (like most countries pay their pensions to their citizens even when they live abroad, so they would not cost you a dime), the house we bought was with a 35% down payment, which does not require proof of employment.
My English is good, but that did not give me a job in the place where I live. I do contract work, which makes me an entrepeneur, I guess, but does not provide me a living wage.

I am not a "good immigrant", since I provide nothing to the country, personally, except for my 2 kids, who go to a public school, that you pay for, or that you can see as an investment for the future. I also am not sucking the system dry tho, we are not poorly, sickly or ill. I only see the doctor for my yearly check ups, my kids have not seen a doctor here yet.

Moral of the story: All is relative...

[andyt]

You said you earn minimum wage. If hubby is also in that category, how do you afford the mortgage? How did you and hubby get in if you have on relevant skills of offer?

Your parents, if they came, would cost us a fortune in health care at some point, with out having paid into the system. I don't agree with that.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

You said you earn minimum wage. If hubby is also in that category, how do you afford the mortgage? How did you and hubby get in if you have on relevant skills of offer?

Your parents, if they came, would cost us a fortune in health care at some point, with out having paid into the system. I don't agree with that.

I never said I earned minimum wage. I said all that is offered here is minimum wage. Unless you have a trade.
For the skilled worker process, you need to show you have certain skills. But showing that does not mean you will get a job. It only gives you grounds to enter the country.
Also, from what I gathered, nobody needs a proof of employment when you down pay 35% or more.

[andyt]

What I"m getting at is that you guys must be doing OK. 35% down still leaves 65% mortgage - you must be earning reasonable wages wages to pay that.

And again, the point of discussion is that you didn't sponsor your parents to come to Canada to be a drain on our healthcare system.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

What I"m getting at is that you guys must be doing OK. 35% down still leaves 65% mortgage - you must be earning reasonable wages wages to pay that.

And again, the point of discussion is that you didn't sponsor your parents to come to Canada to be a drain on our healthcare system.

Of course not. They don't want to move to Canada
On the flip side, if I needed to, I would sponsor them. Fact is tho, that since they are receiving OAS and a pension, they would actually bring a shitload of money to spend to this country.

[bootlegga]

Brenda Brenda:

Of course not. They don't want to move to Canada
On the flip side, if I needed to, I would sponsor them. Fact is tho, that since they are receiving OAS and a pension, they would actually bring a shitload of money to spend to this country.

Not only that Bren, with the huge delays in allowing parents/grandparents into Canada (close to a decade once you've jumped through all the hoops), by the time they were allowed to come, they might be in such poor health that they might not be able to make the trip (or worse, already dead).

That has happened to several people I know. In those cases, the government scooped up several thousand dollars in fees for people who never came.

[Brenda]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Brenda Brenda:

Of course not. They don't want to move to Canada
On the flip side, if I needed to, I would sponsor them. Fact is tho, that since they are receiving OAS and a pension, they would actually bring a shitload of money to spend to this country.

Not only that Bren, with the huge delays in allowing parents/grandparents into Canada (close to a decade once you've jumped through all the hoops), by the time they were allowed to come, they might be in such poor health that they might not be able to make the trip (or worse, already dead).

That has happened to several people I know. In those cases, the government scooped up several thousand dollars in fees for people who never came.

True dat.
Same goes for people who apply for any other form of immigration, and due to waiting times, just change their goals. An old friend of mine paid for 5 when he applied. In the meantime, he is divorced, and his oldest daughter has her career and BF. He came to Canada with his youngest daughter and grandson. He did not get the money back, the visa's were issued, and his ex-wife and daughter didn't make the 3 year of Permanent Residency requirements.
Once you are being processed, you won't get your money back, whether your visa is being issued or not, for whatever reason.

Also, what people forget, is that they can come as visitors too. They will not have any rights, but I am sure no hospital will turn them down.
At any rate, when they come as visitor, all they have to do is cross the border every 6 months to get a new stamp in their passports. Their OAS will be paid to them as usual, their pension will be paid, they just pay taxes in their home country, they can insure themselves through Blue Cross or something, or maybe even through health care plans in their home country.
In the mean time, you can start a sponsor procedure, and they will be here legally all the time.