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ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It was a slam of an unenlightened blue collar opinion.

The little faggot with the earring and the makeup
Yeah, buddy, that's his own hair
That little faggot got his own jet airplane
That little faggot he's a millionaire

I admit, it doesn't sound homophobic to me. Sounds more like it's a song to homophobes, which is a big difference indeed.

I think it's the word people are picking out of the song.

Marilyn Manson has some anti-racist songs with the words "nigger" in them and they're not allowed on daytime radio either. A lot of explicit versions of songs aren't, which is why a lot of artists also offer non-explicit versions.

[Zipperfish]

This is interesting, from the CSBC website.

$1:

The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (CBSC) is an independent, non-governmental organization created by the Canadian Association of Broadcasters (CAB) to administer standards established by its members, Canada's private broadcasters. The Council's membership includes more than 730 private sector radio and television stations, specialty services and networks from across Canada, programming in English, French and third languages.

Nothing to do with government. Well they are still going to get a blast from me. I'm also going to send a note to the radio stations I listen to as well, asking them why they are members of this organization (just about every radio station is).

[Zipperfish]

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I have different ways of describing it... hypocrisy, double-standard...

Well maybe you should sign up to join the CBSC then. After the fallout from this they'll probably be looking for new members.

Tragically Hip have a few songs that you can take a run at.

[Lemmy]

They interviewed a faggot on Global TV news. He manages an adult sex shop. He says "The little faggot got his own jet airplane? The little faggot he's a millionaire? I'd like to be that faggot. I could use a million dollars. How's that offensive?"

[raydan]

I'm saying the lyrics are much more offensive towards blue-collar workers than to gays.

[EyeBrock]

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Zipperfish Zipperfish:

All or nothing? That's a ridiculous argument. Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, to paraphrase Ralph Waldo Emerson. If this song had been about fag-bashing or something like that, I could be persuaded that it shouldn't be played. But we're talking about Mark Knopfler here--a bona fide artist and songwriter. The reference to "faggot" is made by a character in one of his songs and reflects reality.

I have different ways of describing it... hypocrisy, double-standard...

Do go on and explain what you mean.

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Lemmy Lemmy:

They interviewed a chink on Global TV news. He manages an adult sex shop. He says "The little chink got his own jet airplane? The little chink he's a millionaire? I'd like to be that chink. I could use a million dollars. How's that offensive?"

Looks just as unsuitable for daytime radio when when it's like this. I know it's not meant to be hateful, but the average person isn't intelligent enough to get that right from first listen, and they only hear that word.

There's a time and place. I listen to Marilyn Manson and Eminem, but I wouldn't let my nephew listen to it. Not until he's 18 and fully understands the context and implications of such creative expression. See the difference?

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EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Do go on and explain what you mean.

I think I already did. The word "faggot" is tolerated in the media (at least until now) while other equal hate words, like "chink" and "nigger" are not. Can't say one's OK but the other's not without being double-standard.

[Refreshed]

Here's another example. I love this song but at first I thought Marilyn Manson's KKK or something, but he's not. This song is actually anti-hate, not pro-hate. The line "everybody's someone else's nigger" means that every group has a hater, with a hate word to describe them, doesn't matter who you are. As well-intended as this song might be, I still wouldn't expect this to be played on daytime radio with children listening because the content isn't appropriate for them.

Irresponsible Hate Anthem

I am so all-american, I'd sell you suicide
I am totalitarian, I've got abortions in my eyes
I hate the hater, I'd rape the raper
I am the animal, who will not be himself

Fuck it
Fuck it
Fuck it
Fuck it

Hey victim, should I black your eyes again?
Hey victim, you were the one who put the stick in my hand
I am the ism, my hate's a prism
Let's just kill everyone and let your God sort them out

Fuck it
Fuck it
Fuck it
Fuck it

Everybody's someone else's nigger
I know you are so am I
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers
I don't need to chose a side

I better, better, better, better not say this
Better, better, better, better not tell
better, better, better, better not say this
Better, better, better, better not tell
I hate the hater, I'd rape the raper
I am the idiot who will not be himself

Fuck it
Fuck it
Fuck it
Fuck it

Everybody's someone else's nigger
I know you are so am I
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers
I don't need to chose a side

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Gunnair Gunnair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They don't care about the context Bart. Somebody complained so it'll get bleeped out.

What a load of pussies female genitalia lady non-gender specific body parts we have become.

Soon enough...

There, fixed it.

There, now it's fixed!

The irony with Twain and Dire Staights censorship is that these words were used in the context of criticising bigotry...by eliminating their use in this context, you risk watering down the anti-bigotry message.

[SprCForr]

From the decision:

"Nor does the Panel conclude that the history of the recognition of the song in the mid-1980s in any way protects its airplay in unedited form today. The societal values at issue a quarter century later have shifted and the broadcast of the song in 2010 must reflect those values, rather than those of 1985."

These people need to be slapped down hard.

[ShepherdsDog]

Exactly. Canada is changing, but definitely not for the better, First there were supra legal CHRC star chambers that completely ignored the Canadian constitution and now these gits.

[Zipperfish]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Exactly. Canada is changing, but definitely not for the better, First there were supra legal CHRC star chambers that completely ignored the Canadian constitution and now these gits.

You should see their website. It just oozes with that sort of saccharine joyless political correctness that makes you want to vomit.

[Zipperfish]

My letter, sent CBSC. Also modified and sent to a few others.

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complaints@cbsc.ca
Ron Cohen, National Chair, ron.cohen@cbsc.ca
John MacNab, Executive Director, jmacnab@cbsc.ca
Canadian Broadcast Standards Council

Sirs,

My first reaction upon hearing that the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council has censored Dire Strait’s Grammy-winning song “Money for Nothing” from Canadian airwaves was to check my calendar. Could it really be April Fool’s Day already? Alas no—it appears that the CBSC actually wants to make Canada the world’s most prudish country and ban a much-loved and acclaimed song because, in a country of 30-odd million, one person’s delicate sensibilities were offended.

Equally as galling as the rank censorship of the whole thing is the horrible disparagement to Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits. As well as being a bona fide musician, singer and songwriter, Mr. Knopfler has devoted a lot of time in his career to charity and good works. And the message to artists? Conform to the attitude of the majority. Do not challenge contemporary mores if you want your song played in Canada.

This debacle is the inevitable result of giving a group of politically correct people a smidgen of power. Hopefully, some of your member radio stations will stand up to you. Failing that, I can take heart in the fact that censorship is almost always ineffective anyway.


Thank you

Zipperfish

[Scape]

Sirs,

This is not 1984. The time to act was then. This was seen as some sort of affront now? This ruling undermines your authority. It makes future ruling look meaningless and may end up causing the funding for the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council itself to come under review. Find something better to do like resign.

Thank you