[andyt]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Yes.

Now, what should stop me from (ab)using the capitalist system while it exists?
As Karl Marx said, the bourgeoisie have given us the tools for defeating them!

Why should you be any different than Wall street?

[Public_Domain]

[Public_Domain]

[Yogi]

andyt andyt:

Benn Benn:

As for the debate on incandescents for heating my take as a certified electrical technician (granted have not worked in it for over a decade) is that yes they do obviously provide heat but I would not go so far as to say it would provide a net savings over the other bulbs. Depending on climate and insulation of your house I might go as far as to say there will be little savings from using the new ones. But those are a number of variables to consider and just my opinion.

Nobody is saying there is a net savings with incandescents as far as energy use is concerned. Just that when you're heating your house anyway, there is no net cost to them either. As I said, maybe a minute savings because you're not using a fan or a pump to distribute the heat, you're using the heat more in a localized way. But this represents a saving in dollars, since incandescents are so much cheaper.

But I'm curious if the CFL's have improved in color and light output since I last tried them, so I'm going to buy one today and see.

There are still several different types of CFLs available. They each give off a different 'type of light'. I would reccomend that you purchase one of each, check them out, go with the one you like, and buy more of them when you return the ones you don't want.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Actually, years ago I had a flourescent lamp. It had 2 tubes, one in the red spectrum and one in the blue spectrum. It was quite bearable for reading and didn't have that unnatural look and feel to it.
Turned out the 2 different spectrum tubes were quite beneficial for growing pot too.

[sandorski]

Buying Incadescent light bulbs from a Van in an Alley supports Terrorism!

[Canadian_Mind]

Yogi Yogi:

andyt andyt:

Yep, I think the idea is that both emit the same amount of particulates over unit time. And the buses I see mostly don't smoke either, maybe if they're climbing a hill or something. But diesel particulates are a great concern for air pollution, even if they're tuned to spec. I guess adding urea the way say Mercedes does helps a lot, but there are problems there too - for one the mileage is a lot less for those clean diesels.

Comparison: Wood burning stoves vs Diesel buses.

http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/hd.php

http://www.woodheat.org/technology/woodstoves.htm

Didn't provide very good charts, and I didn't see anything on wood stove site about particulate matter. But what I gathered from that is that, based on the 1990 regulations for wood stoves and the 2007 regulations for diesel engines, a wood stove manufactured after 1990 produces the same amount of smoke as a 40bhp diesel manufactured after 2007 over an hour. Go back further for diesels, and it drops down to a 25-30bhp diesel producing the same amount of smoke as a wood stove over an hour. Doesn't equate to 7 diesel buses an hour, that's more like a Smart Car.

[raydan]

Getting cold here, I'm firing up the wood stove.
New model from last year though, very efficient.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Another day, another ban in BC. Welcome to the nanny state.

California quietly banned them, too. I found out by accident last week and went out and stocked up on light bulbs. I figure I've enough for the next ten years or so now.

[andyt]

Well I bought a couple of 100W equivalent daylight CFL's. In actual daylight the color seems good and nice and bright. Have to wait until tonight for the real test.

[Refreshed]

There are different colors of light available. Look at the Kelvin, the lower the number the more yellow, the higher the more white, even blue. It doesn't make sense to buy a white CFL then complain it's white. 2700K is nice and warm. Philips has the K on the bottom of the box. Ie., their daylight is 6500K.

[sandorski]

Refreshed Refreshed:

There are different colors of light available. Look at the Kelvin, the lower the number the more yellow, the higher the more white, even blue. It doesn't make sense to buy a white CFL then complain it's white. 2700K is nice and warm. Philips has the K on the bottom of the box. Ie., their daylight is 6500K.

Phillips "Soft White" is pretty close to Incandescent in colour. Have some Sylvania "Daylight" and they are too White and very much like the traditional Tube bulbs in colour/light. I remember the first time I began using CFLs, everything had a strange Blue hue, took a few days to adjust.

[Yogi]

http://www.elightbulbs.com/LED-Light-Bulbs

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Well I bought a couple of 100W equivalent daylight CFL's. In actual daylight the color seems good and nice and bright. Have to wait until tonight for the real test.

Well?

[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

andyt andyt:

Well I bought a couple of 100W equivalent daylight CFL's. In actual daylight the color seems good and nice and bright. Have to wait until tonight for the real test.

Well?

I like them, they give a nice bright light. They seem brighter than the equivalent incandescent. I'm going to buy some more today to put in areas where I want a bit more light. The old CFL's I remember were dim and greenish, but these are great. Guess I can say I've seen the light.