[Proculation]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Remember that sentiment next time you see a Veteran and on Remembrance Day, because that when foreign policy matters.

I go to the Remembrance Day ceremony in my city every year to pay my respects, and really don't give a shit about politics when I'm listening to the service, paing my respects, or shaking the hand of a veteran in thanks for my wonderful life and the wondergful country we live in. Politics shouldn't need to matter on November 11, only the sacrifice and bravery of the men that spilled their guts on the battlefield so we can sit back and enjoy what we have now.

Lest we forget

-J.

The two world wars were about foreign policy, the correct approach to international conditions at the time - and i'm proud about Canada's call to arms when others are in need. It's about politics - it was about largely liberal democracies standing up to belligerent ideologies that saw their realization through war and hegemony. Maybe learn about our history and maybe while you claim you won't forget, you clearly don't know.

Humm.. I disagree a bit with you hear. Yes, the World Wars were for power and control. But a big problem was also the numbers of big forces at play, specifically with WW1. Strong powers will always try to get more for themselves. It's fertile 'way' to bring a strong leader who will galvanize the population against other powers/nations. So, too much strong nations bring war, two strong nations bring what we see in the Cold War and one strong nation bring the hegemony we are leaving in now. That hegemonic nation will slowly impose it's idea of what is a "good" nation on the rest of the world to try to "keep peace". Others will revolt and be angry to be dictated how to rule their country. Again, we are seeing arming and a radicalization against that hegemony.

In a sense, in all those situations, we are screwed. That's why I consider myself a neo-liberal because I think that trades are the best way to keep a good stability between nations. Threats work for some times but we saw what happened: guerilla, terrorism, etc. The people revolt.

[Curtman]

The National Post has the full text of his speech up here, if anyone is interested.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/11/02/michael-ignatieffs-speech-to-the-montreal-council-on-foreign-relations/

[RUEZ]

Curtman Curtman:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I don't need you to repeat Conservative propaganda to me.

Especially when it doesn't matter.

It does matter. They think that a Canadian being a professor at the one of the best universities in the world (if not the best) is something that brings shame to him.

You really think that? Shows how out of touch you are.

[Curtman]

RUEZ RUEZ:

You really think that? Shows how out of touch you are.

I really think what? That people shouldn't accept teaching positions for fear that they might become less Canadian if they do?

[PluggyRug]

A countries world image will wax and wane despite interference from politicians of any stripe.

[Thanos]

And, once again, if we're currently in the bad books with the professional Jew-haters and other swine at places like the UN it only means we're doing something right. Sometimes the approval of the outside world is the least important consideration of all, especially considering how much of the outside world is run by complete monsters.

[Tman1]

Curtman Curtman:

Proculation Proculation:

Being a great professor doesn't mean you are a great politician. After Dion, Ignatieff is not better to talk to the population.

Our current Prime Minister has never had a full time job outside of politics. I don't believe that makes a good politician either.

Trying to raise the bar with Canadian politicians' education, political savvy or otherwise, you're barking up the wrong tree my friend. Low voter turn out means nobody cares about the current choices regardless of their 'teaching' ability. Can't satisfy everybody.

[Tman1]

As for Conservatives 'damaging' Canada's image. Point number 1. Nobody cares about Canada's image except the hurt individuals in this country that seems to have their pride wounded by Canada not getting an insignificant 'seat' at an insignificant office, the security council.

Point number 2. Most of those wounded souls don't even know what the security council does yet it's 'Harpers' fault, Canada isn't liked...boo hooo hoooo. P.S - It was the Liberals who got us into Afghanistan in the first place by yours truly Jean Chretien. Not a great start there for one thing on Canada's foreign policy.

Point number 3. Nobody in the world cares about Canada's image. It's not like they are going to be hating Canadians left and right because we didn't get on the 'security council' praise be to Jesus. Canada needs to get a thicker skin, stop analyzing what people think about us, move on and concentrate the problems in THIS country. Start there.

[Proculation]

Tman1 Tman1:

As for Conservatives 'damaging' Canada's image. Point number 1. Nobody cares about Canada's image except the hurt individuals in this country that seems to have their pride wounded by Canada not getting an insignificant 'seat' at an insignificant office, the security council.

Point number 2. Most of those wounded souls don't even know what the security council does yet it's 'Harpers' fault, Canada isn't liked...boo hooo hoooo. P.S - It was the Liberals who got us into Afghanistan in the first place by yours truly Jean Chretien. Not a great start there for one thing on Canada's foreign policy.

Point number 3. Nobody in the world cares about Canada's image. It's not like they are going to be hating Canadians left and right because we didn't get on the 'security council' praise be to Jesus. Canada needs to get a thicker skin, stop analyzing what people think about us, move on and concentrate the problems in THIS country. Start there.

I agree on point 1 and 2.

But for point 3, I don't think 'nobody in the world cares about Canada's image'. We are in the G8 and NATO by default. We are a big country, near the United States. We have a respectful image of rights and freedoms.

I think we are an example and a lot of countries would like to be where we are.

I'm only talking about Canada's image in the world, not the supposed damages Harper did. We stood still and helped our neighbour even if we are not the strongest power on Earth. We also did it in WWII, in Korea and did a lot of UN-lead missions.

Personally, for me it's just political rhetoric. Canada is one of the most respected country in the world and it didn't change at all. It's politics.

[Tman1]

Proculation Proculation:

But for point 3, I don't think 'nobody in the world cares about Canada's image'. We are in the G8 and NATO by default. We are a big country, near the United States. We have a respectful image of rights and freedoms.

Doesn't really mean much really. G8, invited by the U.S and we're not really a G8 member in terms of GDP. NATO...Cold War is over and Russia is questioning the need for missile bases in Europe and continuous NATO joinings in eastern Europe. As for 'nobody' I suppose that is an exaggeration. The Tamils of Sri Lanka care about Canada.

[RUEZ]

Curtman Curtman:

RUEZ RUEZ:

You really think that? Shows how out of touch you are.

I really think what? That people shouldn't accept teaching positions for fear that they might become less Canadian if they do?

You actually think people don't like Iggy because he was a professor at Harvard. That's just ignorant.

[Proculation]

Tman1 Tman1:

Proculation Proculation:

But for point 3, I don't think 'nobody in the world cares about Canada's image'. We are in the G8 and NATO by default. We are a big country, near the United States. We have a respectful image of rights and freedoms.

Doesn't really mean much really. G8, invited by the U.S and we're not really a G8 member in terms of GDP. NATO...Cold War is over and Russia is questioning the need for missile bases in Europe and continuous NATO joinings in eastern Europe. As for 'nobody' I suppose that is an exaggeration. The Tamils of Sri Lanka care about Canada.

You have your opinion about how we seems to look pitiful in the world. I do not believe in that.

[Tman1]

Canadians are nice and will be stepped on and be led around by the leash by NATO and the UN. That I hope is an image I'm glad the Conservatives damaged. My opinion, tough.

[Mustang1]

Proculation Proculation:

Humm.. I disagree a bit with you hear. Yes, the World Wars were for power and control. But a big problem was also the numbers of big forces at play, specifically with WW1. Strong powers will always try to get more for themselves. It's fertile 'way' to bring a strong leader who will galvanize the population against other powers/nations. So, too much strong nations bring war, two strong nations bring what we see in the Cold War and one strong nation bring the hegemony we are leaving in now. That hegemonic nation will slowly impose it's idea of what is a "good" nation on the rest of the world to try to "keep peace". Others will revolt and be angry to be dictated how to rule their country. Again, we are seeing arming and a radicalization against that hegemony.

In a sense, in all those situations, we are screwed. That's why I consider myself a neo-liberal because I think that trades are the best way to keep a good stability between nations. Threats work for some times but we saw what happened: guerilla, terrorism, etc. The people revolt.

War is the endgame for politics. It's a component of politics as are the ideologies that drive it. In the case of WWI, political ideologies - nationalism, imperialism, militarism and the balance of power alliances - all played a role in the conflict's origins.

[Curtman]

RUEZ RUEZ:

You actually think people don't like Iggy because he was a professor at Harvard. That's just ignorant.

Who's talking about liking the guy? He said that Iggy having spent time outside Canada as a war correspondent, and as a professor, somehow excluded him from being an expert on foreign policy. That's just funny.