[EyeBrock]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

No, I got one of those piece-of-shit tools and took at 36 garbage bags of dandelions last year over a 5 day period.

Unlike the latte-puffs you describe, I can't give that amount of time to something that was easily dealt with by 30 minutes worth of weedkiller distribution. I have young Canadian children to rear.

But in nanny-state Ontario that's the way the social engineers in the Libs want it to be.

I predict a resounding victory for the anybody-but-Libs and ferret-lovers party in 2011.....

I have a trip to Buffalo, NY planned. The land of the free still sells weedkiller.

So they banned the sale of weedkiller but not the use or importation of it? That just sounds like a way to kill business. I'm not sure what I would do about my Johnson grass without Roundup.

Basically, yes.

It's not a federal ban, just nanny-state Ontario banning its sale (unless for use on golf courses, resorts and hotels).

It’s not illegal to import US weed killer into Ontario from New York, nor is it illegal to possess said weed killer.

Many municipalities have by-laws prohibiting use but I wouldn’t think they have squads of by-law officers testing lawns etc.

My lawn is a mess and it’s doing my head in.

[ASLplease]

hmm...I had heard of a ban on roundup years ago, but its always stayed in the stores, I wonder if there are different formulas. the formula that I used once about 5 years ago worked well.

[DerbyX]

Well the pesticide ban was one of Dalton's campaign promises, one he made after extensive lobbying by environmentalist and health groups.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bedd06fc-c807 ... ab49a.html

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Ontario's Liberal government will introduce legislation tomorrow to implement a provincewide ban on the cosmetic use of pesticides, keeping one of their key election promises from last year.

Premier Dalton McGuinty promised the pesticide ban during last fall's election campaign after intensive lobbying from environmental activists and health professionals.

McGuinty and Environment Minister John Gerretsen will visit a private home in Toronto tomorrow – Earth Day – to announce the ban on the cosmetic use of pesticides on lawns.

Gerretsen was reluctant to reveal any details today, but said members of the public who visited the ministry's website overwhelmingly supported the ban.

"We always said it was a priority when we came out with our platform last year, and it's had tremendous support around the province from what we've received as far as the environmental registry is concerned," Gerretsen said. "Ninety per cent of the people that responded to it responded in a favourable way."

The provincewide ban is aimed at replacing a patchwork of local pesticide bylaws, but Ontario farmers will be exempt. There's no word yet if the province also plans to exempt golf courses from the ban.

The Conservatives and New Democrats said today they would likely support the legislation, but they first want to make sure the ban will actually help the environment and isn't just a public relations move by the Liberal government.

"I think our inclination is to probably support it, but at the same time we want to hear from the folks who are experts in this area, and whether they think it's all politics or whether there is going to be some meaningful benefit to the environment," said Opposition Leader Bob Runciman.

"We've seen a lot of initiatives from this government that don't have a lot of substance but look good and tend to make headlines, and this is maybe another one."

NDP environmental critic Peter Tabuns said he wants a ban that includes real penalties for people who continue to use pesticides for cosmetic purposes.

"If they bring forward legislation that has teeth in it, that's useful, then obviously we're going to be inclined to support it," Tabuns said. "But we don't know what they're bringing forward. We don't know if it's going to be useful or just simply fluff."

The Ontario College of Family Physicians has said the long-term effects of exposure to pesticides can be devastating, especially to pregnant women and children, leading to learning disabilities, birth defects and miscarriages.

The Canadian Cancer Society, the David Suzuki Foundation, Environmental Defence and the Ontario Medical Association have all urged Ontario to follow Quebec's lead and pass the ban on pesticides.

[EyeBrock]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Well the pesticide ban was one of Dalton's campaign promises, one he made after extensive lobbying by environmentalist and health groups.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bedd06fc-c807 ... ab49a.html

$1:

Ontario's Liberal government will introduce legislation tomorrow to implement a provincewide ban on the cosmetic use of pesticides, keeping one of their key election promises from last year.

Premier Dalton McGuinty promised the pesticide ban during last fall's election campaign after intensive lobbying from environmental activists and health professionals.

McGuinty and Environment Minister John Gerretsen will visit a private home in Toronto tomorrow – Earth Day – to announce the ban on the cosmetic use of pesticides on lawns.

Gerretsen was reluctant to reveal any details today, but said members of the public who visited the ministry's website overwhelmingly supported the ban.

"We always said it was a priority when we came out with our platform last year, and it's had tremendous support around the province from what we've received as far as the environmental registry is concerned," Gerretsen said. "Ninety per cent of the people that responded to it responded in a favourable way."

The provincewide ban is aimed at replacing a patchwork of local pesticide bylaws, but Ontario farmers will be exempt. There's no word yet if the province also plans to exempt golf courses from the ban.

The Conservatives and New Democrats said today they would likely support the legislation, but they first want to make sure the ban will actually help the environment and isn't just a public relations move by the Liberal government.

"I think our inclination is to probably support it, but at the same time we want to hear from the folks who are experts in this area, and whether they think it's all politics or whether there is going to be some meaningful benefit to the environment," said Opposition Leader Bob Runciman.

"We've seen a lot of initiatives from this government that don't have a lot of substance but look good and tend to make headlines, and this is maybe another one."

NDP environmental critic Peter Tabuns said he wants a ban that includes real penalties for people who continue to use pesticides for cosmetic purposes.

"If they bring forward legislation that has teeth in it, that's useful, then obviously we're going to be inclined to support it," Tabuns said. "But we don't know what they're bringing forward. We don't know if it's going to be useful or just simply fluff."

The Ontario College of Family Physicians has said the long-term effects of exposure to pesticides can be devastating, especially to pregnant women and children, leading to learning disabilities, birth defects and miscarriages.

The Canadian Cancer Society, the David Suzuki Foundation, Environmental Defence and the Ontario Medical Association have all urged Ontario to follow Quebec's lead and pass the ban on pesticides.

He never asked me what I thought and didn't vote for him. You live in a condo Derby, you don't care.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

He never asked me what I thought and didn't vote for him. You live in a condo Derby, you don't care.

That is true but it has a front and back yard. That said other people with yards do care and they lobbyied for the ban. He promised it and he kept it. You have a right to your opinion as they did.

If this really is such a big issue for you then feel free to vote against him although I think that ship has sailed.

In the end though, democracy prevailed. 2 separate groups went to the government with a request to ban the herbicide. Dalton put it up front as part of his campaign for all to see. He won the election and kept his promise.

Even if you don't like the ban you have to admit that it was a kept campaign promise and shows integrity.

[EyeBrock]

Special interest groups looked after by Dalton.

How unusual.

Nobody even polled me for a view on weedkiller but I'm not part of a special interest group. I suppose they have a greater voice than us plebs who vote and pay.

I'm just a tax payer and a voter who pays way more taxes than I did 7 years ago for no more services and nanny-state laws.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Special interest groups looked after by Dalton.

How unusual.

Nobody even polled me for a view on weedkiller but I'm not part of a special interest group. I suppose they have a greater voice than us plebs who vote and pay.

I'm just a tax payer and a voter who pays way more taxes than I did 7 years ago for no more services and nanny-state laws.

Nobody asked me what fighter to buy for Canada. Special interest groups determined that. My taxes will go up to pay for that purchase.

Really, you are being all silly about this. Should all military purchases be done by a voter referendum?

You didn't vote for Dalton anyway. The people who did had no problem with the herbicide ban. How many tax payers can say the exact same thing about virtually anything Harper has done?

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Should all military purchases be done by a voter referendum?

It's a novel idea. Be interesting to put up a grocery list of equipment such as helicopters, fighters, ships, and etc. and see what the voters pass.

Maybe the Canadian public would pay for a carrier or two. Be nice to ask them.

Good idea.

[EyeBrock]

DerbyX DerbyX:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Special interest groups looked after by Dalton.

How unusual.

Nobody even polled me for a view on weedkiller but I'm not part of a special interest group. I suppose they have a greater voice than us plebs who vote and pay.

I'm just a tax payer and a voter who pays way more taxes than I did 7 years ago for no more services and nanny-state laws.

Nobody asked me what fighter to buy for Canada. Special interest groups determined that. My taxes will go up to pay for that purchase.

Really, you are being all silly about this. Should all military purchases be done by a voter referendum?

You didn't vote for Dalton anyway. The people who did had no problem with the herbicide ban. How many tax payers can say the exact same thing about virtually anything Harper has done?

You always make silly comparisons. F35 vs weedkiller. Yea it's the same thing.

It's frothy man.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Should all military purchases be done by a voter referendum?

It's a novel idea. Be interesting to put up a grocery list of equipment such as helicopters, fighters, ships, and etc. and see what the voters pass.

Maybe the Canadian public would pay for a carrier or two. Be nice to ask them.

Good idea.

I'd support dedicating a hard and fast military budget based on % revenue or % GDP although % revenue seems easier.

I'd also support giving the military authority to make purchase for themselves knowing full well that any savings they keep.

Of course I am also told the internal fighting between the branches will be nothing less then a knock down drag out brawl.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You always make silly comparisons. F35 vs weedkiller. Yea it's the same thing.

It's frothy man.

sigh. You are just getting silly. You think Dalton should have asked you personally about the ban?

He put it in his campaign and allowed you to vote for him or against him. What more could you expect.

In terms of the F35. You say defence experts and aircraft experts supported buying the F35 and counseled Harper to make the purchase.

By that same token, health experts and environmental experts supported the herbicide ban and counseled Dalton to ban it. He promised it during his campaign. He kept it. 'nuff said.

You are free to vote for another candidate all you want and you are free to contact those candidates and get them to promise to remove the ban.

Democracy.

[DerbyX]

Good night.

[EyeBrock]

DerbyX DerbyX:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You always make silly comparisons. F35 vs weedkiller. Yea it's the same thing.

It's frothy man.

sigh. You are just getting silly. You think Dalton should have asked you personally about the ban?

He put it in his campaign and allowed you to vote for him or against him. What more could you expect.

In terms of the F35. You say defence experts and aircraft experts supported buying the F35 and counseled Harper to make the purchase.

By that same token, health experts and environmental experts supported the herbicide ban and counseled Dalton to ban it. He promised it during his campaign. He kept it. 'nuff said.

You are free to vote for another candidate all you want and you are free to contact those candidates and get them to promise to remove the ban.

Democracy.

Democracy vs special interest groups. The ones you agree with get a free ride and the ones with a hint of Tory blue are just hidden agendas.

I'm voting for the Weedkiller Party. You ferrets can vote for your tax and spend guys again!

[Pseudonym]

ASLplease ASLplease:

hmm...I had heard of a ban on roundup years ago, but its always stayed in the stores, I wonder if there are different formulas. the formula that I used once about 5 years ago worked well.

I basically stick with products that use glycophosphate or a good glycophosphate substitute. Seems to work well enough on my acreage.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Democracy vs special interest groups. The ones you agree with get a free ride and the ones with a hint of Tory blue are just hidden agendas.

I'm voting for the Weedkiller Party. You ferrets can vote for your tax and spend guys again!

Getting a bit tin foily are you?

Democracy. Groups of concerned Ontarions petitioned the government to ban a dangerous product, one that was harmful both to the environment and human health. A political party ran with that as a campaign point and when elected kept that promise. Perhaps those things are wrong where you come from but here in Canada we call it democracy and an example of good government.

We ferrets will vote for a party that keeps its promises, supports the environment and is concerned that unhealthy products aren't being dumped wholesale on us.

You immigrants can vote for the party that panders to you personally so you pay less taxes and can pollute the environment so you can have a pretty lawn.