[ShepherdsDog]

Obviously if the MP isn't there to represent his constituents and lies to them, they won't get their golden pension.

[tritium]

Yogi Yogi:

I really don't think the LGR will be around for much longer anyways. Neither will Harpers minority Govt. Thanks to those who voted for the lgr!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/20 ... 44146.html

It's about bloody time the Conservative gets a majority government, the question is will Harper still be leading the party or does it need a fresh new face?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

tritium tritium:

Yogi Yogi:

I really don't think the LGR will be around for much longer anyways. Neither will Harpers minority Govt. Thanks to those who voted for the lgr!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/20 ... 44146.html

It's about bloody time the Conservative gets a majority government, the question is will Harper still be leading the party or does it need a fresh new face?

As long as the NDP and Libs don't change their "faces" a stalk of steamed, limp celery could take the CPC to a majority

[Yogi]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

tritium tritium:

Yogi Yogi:

I really don't think the LGR will be around for much longer anyways. Neither will Harpers minority Govt. Thanks to those who voted for the lgr!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/20 ... 44146.html

It's about bloody time the Conservative gets a majority government, the question is will Harper still be leading the party or does it need a fresh new face?

As long as the NDP and Libs don't change their "faces" a stalk of steamed, limp celery could take the CPC to a majority

The 'pool' is pretty darn shallow for either party to choose a 'new face' from.

[ShepherdsDog]

MacKay?? Comes from a decent clan too. Just need a few more Cunninghams, Gordons and Forsythes in there.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Yogi Yogi:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

As long as the NDP and Libs don't change their "faces" a stalk of steamed, limp celery could take the CPC to a majority

The 'pool' is pretty darn shallow for either party to choose a 'new face' from.

True enough

[ASLplease]

how do you replace a guy that has led his party to become the longest governing and most successful minority government in all of the history of canada?

Harper deserves a medal. my hat is off to him.

[kenmore]

LMAO! medal...........? hmmm.

[EyeBrock]

Unsound Unsound:

Gunnair Gunnair:

If any of these offences are one time offenders by average joe going through a divorce, getting retardedly drunk, or being an idiot, their registered weapons will show up and the police will then know that going to a domestic with average joe losing his shit on his wife and posessing a houseful of shotguns will give the cops the knoweldge beforehand that there will be other factors to consider.

The problem with this theory, as explained to me by actual cops, is that no matter what the registery tells them about the person or house they're going to, they have to treat every call as though there could be weapons involved.

Maybe the cops you spoke to forgot to tell you that at a domestic when they know there’s guns in the house, the weapons are seized if there are allegations of violence. They would have never known this prior to the LGR. That’s hundreds of thousands of weapons seized over the past decade that couldn’t be used in further domestic violence.

The police don't search the house for guns when they arrest suspects for domestic assault as they have no power.

Knowing that there are registered firearms in the house means that those weapons are out of circulation until a court hears the case. Everybody is a little bit safer when a gun owner who beat their spouse doesn’t have access to a firearm.

That aside. This whole debate/debacle has given the Tories a big stick to beat Liberal and NDP Mp's from rural constituencies with.

I’m not sure if this was the whole point, if so it was a political masterstroke, especially within the Lib/NDP ridings where MP’s were originally going to vote to scrap it until Iggy and Jack issued a three-line-whip. A lot of these ridings the Tories came in second and some are quite marginal.

This is the wedge issue Harper has been looking for and it will resonate. It’s obvious from the forum that many gun-owners are not happy with the system and they will now vote Tory, and probably so will their families. The other little thing is that this was an election pledge. This is truly a pyrrhic victory for the Libs and NDP.

[Curtman]

Why should long guns get an exemption from the firearms registry? And why are cons at war with the long gun registry, and not the registry as a whole?

Are sawed off shotguns safer than handguns?

[EyeBrock]

Curtman Curtman:

Why should long guns get an exemption from the firearms registry? And why are cons at war with the long gun registry, and not the registry as a whole?

Are sawed off shotguns safer than handguns?

See above. It's all politics and nothing really to do with a list of who has a big fuck-off gun.

But, I do believe it's check-mate for rural Libs and NDP MP's.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Curtman Curtman:

Why should long guns get an exemption from the firearms registry? And why are cons at war with the long gun registry, and not the registry as a whole?

Are sawed off shotguns safer than handguns?

See above. It's all politics and nothing really to do with a list of who has a big fuck-off gun.

But, I do believe it's check-mate for rural Libs and NDP MP's.

I'll be a bit surprised by that. Though this has been whipped up into a big issue for some, I think voters will ultimately carry on and return to their apathy.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I'll be a bit surprised by that. Though this has been whipped up into a big issue for some, I think voters will ultimately carry on and return to their apathy.

The legacy of this battle will be the inability of the cons to compromise. Again. They can't claim it's too costly when they are trying to pass S-10 which by their own numbers will cost 10 billion dollars per year (and refuse to show how it will be effective), instead of 1 billion over 10 years for the registry. Or when they spend 10 times the cost of the registry putting up signs for the Action Plan.

[EyeBrock]

Gunnair Gunnair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Curtman Curtman:

Why should long guns get an exemption from the firearms registry? And why are cons at war with the long gun registry, and not the registry as a whole?

Are sawed off shotguns safer than handguns?

See above. It's all politics and nothing really to do with a list of who has a big fuck-off gun.

But, I do believe it's check-mate for rural Libs and NDP MP's.

I'll be a bit surprised by that. Though this has been whipped up into a big issue for some, I think voters will ultimately carry on and return to their apathy.

I'm not so sure Gunnair. People who own guns are very passionate about this issue. I've seen it first-hand. Look at the debate aroused on CKA about it. There are Lib supporters from rural Canada that are very angry about the LGR.


This private members bill came from nowhere, and it looks to me like it was a planned event. The whole Tory machine got behind this and it was strange to see rural Lib and NDP MP's squirm under their parties whips. These MP's know this is going to be tough to defend back in their home ridings and a few of them will be gone because of it.

The people might forget but the Tories will latch onto this come an election campaign.

The 'elites' in Toronto might not care about it but those marginal Lib seats in bum-fuck Ontario and NFLD etc will see some changes in the CPC's favour. It’s a gift to Stevie.

Like I say, I do believe that this was a political masterstroke for Harper. The Libs were fucked which ever way they went and Iggy has been out manoeuvred.

Check-mate Iggy.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

This private members bill came from nowhere, and it looks to me like it was a planned event.

Came from nowhere?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-aim-to-turn-long-gun-defeat-into-victory/article1719471/?cmpid=nl-news1 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-aim-to-turn-long-gun-defeat-into-victory/article1719471/?cmpid=nl-news1:

In June, 2006, the government introduced a bill to repeal the requirement for owners to register non-restricted long guns and put the onus on firearms retailers to record sales. That bill died when the session was prorogued.

A similar bill was introduced in November, 2007. It too was never passed.

The Conservatives then introduced an identical bill in the Senate in April, 2009. That died when Mr. Harper prorogued Parliament in December.

They've been wasting time on this issue for over 4 years.