[DerbyX]

ASLplease ASLplease:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ASLplease ASLplease:

btw, you can bet that the gun control crowd organized by wendy cuckier has recieved foriegn assistance and advice from time to time, too. are you against fair play?

Can you provide evidence or is that a hunch?

or you trying to argue just for the sake of arguing? is it really neccessary for evidence on this one point?

its the way of the world, I would not run an organization without seeking technical advice and logical support from like minded organizations. If I worked with WEndy, I would contact groups in the UN, UK, and USA. I would recieve 'political influence' from all of them.

No, I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing and judging by the posters above me many feel as I do. We don't like a large and powerful lobby group like the NRA mucking about in our politics.

What help is "wendy" receiving if any? You made the assertion so can you provide evidence like there is evidence of the NRA?

[ASLplease]

check your reading comprehension skills, If you want to challenge me on a technical aspect of this discussion by 'show me the evidence', then I will point out that there was never an assertion made. my post says "I'll bet that....". thats not an assertion, its an opinion.

why are you even going down this road? its doesnt contribute to the share of ideas, it just serves to polarizes this thread into a 'is to!''is not' debate. Frankly, Derby, if you want to participate in formal and structure debates, you've come to the wrong place by coming to a public forum. and to assume that I was to dosey do with you is incorrect. iether contribute your ideas, or get lost.

[DerbyX]

ASLplease ASLplease:

check your reading comprehension skills, If you want to challenge me on a technical aspect of this discussion by 'show me the evidence', then I will point out that there was never an assertion made. my post says "I'll bet that....". thats not an assertion, its an opinion.

why are you even going down this road? its doesnt contribute to the share of ideas, it just serves to polarizes this thread into a 'is to!''is not' debate. Frankly, Derby, if you want to participate in formal and structure debates, you've come to the wrong place by coming to a public forum. and to assume that I was to dosey do with you is incorrect. iether contribute your ideas, or get lost.

Getting a tad bit testy?

First off I did contribute and gave my opinion as have others.

Second this is what you said: btw, you can bet that the gun control crowd organized by wendy cuckier has recieved foriegn assistance and advice from time to time, too. are you against fair play?

That sounds very much like an assertion. It wasn't "I'll bet" it was "you can bet". See the difference.

In addition, my response was "Can you provide evidence or is that a hunch?" Sounds like I as asking if you had evidence or were you rendering a guess. I'd say that was a fair question.

I seriously doubt that if a large and well established anti-gun lobby group was providing the level of assistance the NRA is to the other side you'd take it as lightly.

[ASLplease]

a link to a cbc article is evidence? thats the problem with a public forum. things like 'evidence' are not clearly defined in an informal discussion like this, and the guys with the biggest egos have a tendancy to upgrade or downgrade the standards as they see fit.

I've recently had a debate with a doctor, that would take my charts and graphs and destroy them with a pencil, but when it was my turn to do the same to his charts and graphs, he insisted that I provide evidence, data and demonstrate that the conclusions are made in a controled 'research like' manner, and that every study I used to rebuke his charts was a published study. I dont have the time to get into this in greater detail but I think you get my point.....

....I've decided just not to get into that kind of debating. I'll share my ideas and opinions. If you dont agree or dont accept them, dont expect me to go out of my way to prove them. And, dont expect me to agree with you, if you choose to pat yourself on the back when I refuse to produce evidence.

[DerbyX]

I call this evidence: "they freely give us anything else," Tony Bernardo, an Ontario gun advocate and CILA's executive director, said in Canadian Firearms Digest in July 2001.

In 2000, the NRA paid $100,000 for an infomercial about what it called "the Canadian situation" that aired on The National Network in the U.S., according to Bernardo, who appeared in the video.

If you posted Wendy saying something similar then that would be evidence right?

[DerbyX]

Especially when it says stuff like this: It cautioned gun owners the registry was a government plot to find out how many guns there were in order to seize them and leave citizens helpless to defend themselves.

A fear based argument and one without merit since Canadian citizens don't live in fear of their government.

[bootlegga]

ASLplease ASLplease:

sounds a bit racist/anti-american/bigoted( or whatever you prefer to call it) to me. you are disqualifying their values simply because of where they are from.

Remember that the next time you bitch about China trying to influence Canadian politicians...

[ASLplease]

I seriously doubt that if a large and well established anti-gun lobby group was providing the level of assistance the NRA is to the other side you'd take it as lightly.

I personally assume that Wendy Cuckier gets support from UN departments, since they are hellbent of disarming gun owners.

I already disagree with her, I dont see how I could take things more lightly or less lightly.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Especially when it says stuff like this: It cautioned gun owners the registry was a government plot to find out how many guns there were in order to seize them and leave citizens helpless to defend themselves.

A fear based argument and one without merit since Canadian citizens don't live in fear of their government.

I dont have to fear a government to state that governments are not worthy of our trust.

[DerbyX]

ASLplease ASLplease:

I seriously doubt that if a large and well established anti-gun lobby group was providing the level of assistance the NRA is to the other side you'd take it as lightly.

I personally assume that Wendy Cuckier gets support from UN departments, since they are hellbent of disarming gun owners.

I already disagree with her, I dont see how I could take things more lightly or less lightly.

Yes. You disagree with her. That is not the issue. The article provides concrete proof of the NRA getting involved. Just because you disagree with Wendy's position doesn't mean she is getting the same support for her position. That might by your personal hunch but it is not a factual argument.

It, however, is a factual argument that the NRA is providing that level of support. People don't like that support. People from your side don't like that support either since QBC isn't an anti-gun lobbyist is he?

[ASLplease]

bootlegga bootlegga:

ASLplease ASLplease:

sounds a bit racist/anti-american/bigoted( or whatever you prefer to call it) to me. you are disqualifying their values simply because of where they are from.

Remember that the next time you bitch about China trying to influence Canadian politicians...

ok. I dont remember doing that, but ok.

[DerbyX]

ASLplease ASLplease:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Especially when it says stuff like this: It cautioned gun owners the registry was a government plot to find out how many guns there were in order to seize them and leave citizens helpless to defend themselves.

A fear based argument and one without merit since Canadian citizens don't live in fear of their government.

I dont have to fear a government to state that governments are not worthy of our trust.

SO? That doesn't alter the fear based argument the NRA is attempting to make in Canada which is that the Canadian government is trying to disarm its citizens in order to better control them?

Even if the entire civilian population was disarmed. How is the government going to use that against us? The military? A secret pact with the gangs? The parties are all going to suddenly agree to work for a common goal of citizen enslavement?

Christ, it'd be worth a total gun ban and enslavement just to see every party working towards a common goal in my life.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ASLplease ASLplease:

I seriously doubt that if a large and well established anti-gun lobby group was providing the level of assistance the NRA is to the other side you'd take it as lightly.

I personally assume that Wendy Cuckier gets support from UN departments, since they are hellbent of disarming gun owners.

I already disagree with her, I dont see how I could take things more lightly or less lightly.

Yes. You disagree with her. That is not the issue. The article provides concrete proof of the NRA getting involved. Just because you disagree with Wendy's position doesn't mean she is getting the same support for her position. That might by your personal hunch but it is not a factual argument.

It, however, is a factual argument that the NRA is providing that level of support. People don't like that support. People from your side don't like that support either since QBC isn't an anti-gun lobbyist is he?

you see, now there you go sliding the standard up and down to benefit your point of view.

and to attack others point of view, rather than respect them

havent i made it clear that I wont play your game?

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ASLplease ASLplease:

btw, you can bet that the gun control crowd organized by wendy cuckier has recieved foriegn assistance and advice from time to time, too. are you against fair play?

Can you provide evidence or is that a hunch?

Yep, Wendy Cukier's organisation (Coalition for Gun Control) receives funding and support from IANSA which is, in turn, supported by George Soros and international and American anti-gun groups.

Turn-about is then fair play.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Christ, it'd be worth a total gun ban and enslavement just to see every party working towards a common goal in my life.

at best, you can only achieve a total ban on privately owned guns and enslavement of citizens. criminals and governments wont comply.