[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's rather amusing that you would try to school me on Christianity.

Why?

Because Thanos hates Christianity and Christians just the same as you do and has gone to extensive lengths to establish his credentials in that regard. It's akin to Iggy telling Harper to be a better Conservative.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Look in the mirror bub. Nobody thinks you are the voice of reason, at least nobody reasonable that is.

And that would be who? Because it most definitely is not you. I say that knowing you're as reasonable on this topic as I am on the topic of holding an Iftar feast at a Bar Mitzvah.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's rather amusing that you would try to school me on Christianity.

Why?

Because Thanos hates Christianity and Christians just the same as you do and has gone to extensive lengths to establish his credentials in that regard. It's akin to Iggy telling Harper to be a better Conservative.

You hate muslims and islam by a far worse margin and yet you say its your opinion about islam we should believe.

That was the only salient point. If we can't follow Thanos opinion on christianity because of hate then there is no reason in the world anybody should follow yours about islam.

Can you dispute the logic of that?

[Pseudonym]

So anyway, I don't really think Canada needs a Tea Party because it doesn't really have that element of history to call its own. However, I am of the opinion that Canada (among other nations) could do with a conservative revival emphasizing individualism at the expense of government.

[DerbyX]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

So anyway, I don't really think Canada needs a Tea Party because it doesn't really have that element of history to call its own. However, I am of the opinion that Canada (among other nations) could do with a conservative revival emphasizing individualism at the expense of government.

We do have that. I don't think the US has that any more then we do. Plenty of people here want greater freedom from the government (guns, drugs, marriage, etc) and they are in both political spectras and across the parties. That isn't conservatism. Conservatism has never really been more about freedom then liberals. In fact I'd say it was the opposite.

I'd say its more of a case of the difference between what the conservative/right want the government to spend money for as opposed to the liberal/left. Everybody thinks they are taxed too much. Everybody agrees the government needs to cut back on waste. Nobody can explain how to accomplish that.

[EyeBrock]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Look in the mirror bub. Nobody thinks you are the voice of reason, at least nobody reasonable that is.

I still find you attractive for a man.....

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Look in the mirror bub. Nobody thinks you are the voice of reason, at least nobody reasonable that is.

I still find you attractive for a man.....

Its legal in Canada now. Careful, someone on here might be a priest and officially marry us.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

So anyway, I don't really think Canada needs a Tea Party because it doesn't really have that element of history to call its own. However, I am of the opinion that Canada (among other nations) could do with a conservative revival emphasizing individualism at the expense of government.

We do have that. I don't think the US has that any more then we do. Plenty of people here want greater freedom from the government (guns, drugs, marriage, etc) and they are in both political spectras and across the parties. That isn't conservatism. Conservatism has never really been more about freedom then liberals. In fact I'd say it was the opposite.

I'd say its more of a case of the difference between what the conservative/right want the government to spend money for as opposed to the liberal/left. Everybody thinks they are taxed too much. Everybody agrees the government needs to cut back on waste. Nobody can explain how to accomplish that.

It's easy to explain. It's just hard to get the fuckwads in charge to pay attention or even listen ie: give a damn. Abolish the Senate, drop the salaries of MPs, the PM and cabinet ministers. Get rid of overlapping services. Lay off the fucking pork barreling. A little accountability would be nice for a change as well, and NOT JUST to the FNs. Unfortunately, any ideas regarding reducing the cost of gov't will affect those at the senior level negatively so it ain't gonna happen. There's only one way to accomplish that but it'll take the will and actions of the populace to do it. And I don't see that happening anytime soon either

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's rather amusing that you would try to school me on Christianity.

Not sure what that was supposed to mean, but apparently I just had to school you about Abraham Lincoln, or at least what sort of person Lincoln was in his heart. And how these fools invoking him are disgracing the real history of your country in the same way they disgraced it last Saturday by trying to get everyone else to believe that they have embraced MLK. You're either following or defending lunatics who say things like, for example, "Teddy Roosevelt was a Communist" for creating the national parks system. If you're going to stick up for people who say things like that then I'd say that you have a lot more to justify or validate than I do.

[Thanos]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

He's on a bit of a rabid streak Bart. We've seen it all before.

That was kind of a cheap thing to say. Explain further pls.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

You hate muslims and islam by a far worse margin and yet you say its your opinion about islam we should believe.

That was the only salient point. If we can't follow Thanos opinion on christianity because of hate then there is no reason in the world anybody should follow yours about islam.

Can you dispute the logic of that?

My opinion is based on my experiences and then there's also the daily news that substantiates my view.

What I am confounded by is that the Muslims can kill, rape, enslave, and oppress literally millions of people and you and Thanos dismiss all of that as if it never happened and then you, in particular, are haunted by your boogeymen Christians who supposedly oppress you and you cite those boogeymen as your justification for your hatred of Christianity.

I can back up my point of view. I can back it up with the blood of my friends. You and Thanos justify your hatred of Christianity with vague reasoning and frequently obtuse and tortured logic.

I'm glad neither of you were around for WW2 because I've not a scintilla of doubt that you both would've taken up the cause of the Germans and Japanese and would've insisted that they were both peaceful peoples and that Western Christian aggression was responsible for their very reasoned responses. I also have no doubt that you two would've ignored reports of the Holocaust because the Spanish Inquisition was far, far worse.

Sorry, chum, but you two have established your bona fides at this point and they speak for you. As my father used to say, "Who you are speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say."

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Because Thanos hates Christianity and Christians just the same as you do and has gone to extensive lengths to establish his credentials in that regard. It's akin to Iggy telling Harper to be a better Conservative.

Untrue. I hate the effect that a politicized Christianity has on the political process, especially in your country. The endless invoking of God by obvious ideologues and demogogues, in clear view that these people are almost all liars, charlatans, and hypocrits is unacceptable. Using what was supposed to be the main dynamic of faith, love, charity, and humility and distorting it into a dangerous weapon of political division and for the promotion of hatred against the "others" is disgusting. If Heaven exists, by the words of Christianity itself, then none of the monsters who have distorted it for their own benefit, nor any of the mindless followers who do the bidding of these evil bastards, should ever be allowed into the place.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

My opinion is based on my experiences and then there's also the daily news that substantiates my view.

No it isn't. Its based on bogtry, narrow mindedness, and just plain old hatred. You willingly ignore the true reasons behind the daily news and instead choose to interpret it the way you want. Any bad thing done by any muslim anywhere is a direct result of islam and you believe that if they would convert to christianity none of it would happen. Meanwhile christians butch each other in country after country but you choose to lay the blame on everything but christianity.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

What I am confounded by is that the Muslims can kill, rape, enslave, and oppress literally millions of people and you and Thanos dismiss all of that as if it never happened and then you, in particular, are haunted by your boogeymen Christians who supposedly oppress you and you cite those boogeymen as your justification for your hatred of Christianity.

Nope. We never ever say it doesn't happen. We simply to hold the entire faith to blame for those actions and instead see the true causes.

When its christians doing the butchering, killing, raping, and oppression you simply state "they aren't really christians so christianity isn't to blame.

In Rwanada it was christians killing christians. In the Uganda/Congo/Sudan/CAR its the freaking Lords resistence army, a christian group. Your effing government helped the murderous butchers, the Contras who were backed up by the Catholic church. In Serbis it was christians committing war crimes on the genocide level. Throughout central and South America there are countless atrocities committed by christians and let us not forget the granddaddy of them all the over tolerant Nazis. This is the short list. You own military, christian by your standards stands as one of the worst forces for oppression and it hides behind a mask of benevolence.

you just simply refuse to even say any of these people are christians thereby allowing you to simply dismiss any criticism of christianity.[/i] Circular logic and a failure at that.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I can back up my point of view. I can back it up with the blood of my friends.

No you can't. All you have is some pathetic attempt to say muslims were oppressing you by defending themselves against your aggression. Stay the fuck out of the middle east and the problem is solved overnight.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You and Thanos justify your hatred of Christianity with vague reasoning and frequently obtuse and tortured logic.

Nope. We base it on christianities hatred towards us and the real atrocities its proponents commit daily. You just can't stand to admit any christian does anything bad because you think that reflects all christians and you think that way because you yourself do that.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'm glad neither of you were around for WW2 because I've not a scintilla of doubt that you both would've taken up the cause of the Germans and Japanese and would've insisted that they were both peaceful peoples and that Western Christian aggression was responsible for their very reasoned responses. I also have no doubt that you two would've ignored reports of the Holocaust because the Spanish Inquisition was far, far worse.

Says the guy with the father in law who fought for the Nazis and the guy claiming the Nazis were really great guys to abolish the "feudal class system in schools" (if you decide to rebut this point be prepared because M1 won't miss the opportunity twice.)

WW2 had next to nothing to do with defending Jews against the holocaust and if it did then how culpable is the US since they took their sweet time getting involved.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Sorry, chum, but you two have established your bona fides at this point and they speak for you. As my father used to say, "Who you are speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say."

You have time and time again established yourself as a foaming at the mouth anti-muslim with beliefs amounting to genocide. Neither Thanos or I preach violence.

Take a long look in the mirror herr Bart. I'm not the one who professes to be part of a religion based on love, peace, tolerance, and turning the other cheek.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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I'm glad neither of you were around for WW2 because I've not a scintilla of doubt that you both would've taken up the cause of the Germans and Japanese and would've insisted that they were both peaceful peoples and that Western Christian aggression was responsible for their very reasoned responses.

Actually BArt, on the part of the Japanese, I'd suggest you read Flyboys by James Bradley to get some insight as to why Japan attacked the US. It was far from unprovoked.

[BartSimpson]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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I'm glad neither of you were around for WW2 because I've not a scintilla of doubt that you both would've taken up the cause of the Germans and Japanese and would've insisted that they were both peaceful peoples and that Western Christian aggression was responsible for their very reasoned responses.

Actually BArt, on the part of the Japanese, I'd suggest you read Flyboys by James Bradley to get some insight as to why Japan attacked the US. It was far from unprovoked.

Indeed. The Japanese were upset that we had an oil embargo on them due to our intolerance of their occupation of China and numerous attacks on US citizens and US flagged naval assets in the 1930's.