[mentalfloss]

kenmore kenmore:

desertdude desertdude:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

DD,

Khadr is in a foriegn detention centre for things he did or allegedly did against those foreign nationals.

Until he has been tried this is a matter for the Yanks. It's pretty plain really.

I know what I find disturbing is that holding in solitary and torturing a juvi in a place like gitmo for eight years without trial. It should have been taken care of and verdict, guilty or not guilty passed a long time back.

juvi my ass.. he is a terrorist and we know in the west that even kids are trained as terrorists and brain washed with anti west sentiment.. juvi my ass.. hang the prick...cut out his nuts and pour salt in his wounds.. what ever keep him out of Canada.. he can rot with the rats in gitmo... deserves it!

Doesn't really matter since gitmo is closing this year, anyway.

[desertdude]

Yes brock I know that also later in 2003 he was killed in Pakistan in a Pakistani raid. And back to the time your talking about and up to then he had been a great humanitarian and set up a lot charities etc etc, It was later he started to turn into a radical.

And Thanos if your father committed a murder, does that sutomaticaly makes you a murder. Guilty by association should become law now you think ? Again people thinking emotionally rather than objectively.

And Ken as usual doesn't disappoint and fails to use even an ounce of logic, but atleast he's consitent

[mentalfloss]

Thanos Thanos:

Nits grow up to be lice. Not much simpler than that.

Yes, you can't get much simpler than that.

[desertdude]

And this just might turn into a self full filling prophecy now. Even innocent or guilty was held in solitary and tortured regularly for eight years without trial, do you think he would have anything but contempt for his captors.

He might just now have become what he is being blamed for being, thanks to the system even if he wasn't one before he just might be now and with that I take my leave from this thread.

[Zipperfish]

desertdude desertdude:

Come on man that a pretty cruel think to say. I wouldn't wish that even of my worst
enemy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilawar_%2 ... _victim%29

other sources quoted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr

The Dilawar one was pretty nasty.

[EyeBrock]

desertdude desertdude:

Yes brock I know that also later in 2003 he was killed in Pakistan in a Pakistani raid. And back to the time your talking about and up to then he had been a great humanitarian and set up a lot charities etc etc, It was later he started to turn into a radical.

And Thanos if your father committed a murder, does that sutomaticaly makes you a murder. Guilty by association should become law now you think ? Again people thinking emotionally rather than objectively.

And Ken as usual doesn't disappoint and fails to use even an ounce of logic, but atleast he's consitent

A great humanitarian? Really? Amhed Khadr? You got the name right? The guy who was a known Al Qaeda operative?

Did a lot of work for charity did he eh?

Come on DD. One minute you seem reasonable, the next you’re regurgitating the Jihadi propaganda.

[OnTheIce]

desertdude desertdude:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

DD,

Khadr is in a foriegn detention centre for things he did or allegedly did against those foreign nationals.

Until he has been tried this is a matter for the Yanks. It's pretty plain really.

I know what I find disturbing is that holding in solitary and torturing a juvi in a place like gitmo for eight years without trial. It should have been taken care of and verdict, guilty or not guilty passed a long time back.

There's zero evidence of poor Omar being tortured or anything of the sort. They go out of their way at Gitmo to make it a pro-Islam culture in terms of prayer, etc. Not to mention, this kid packed on the pounds there....guess they fed him too much to 'torture' him.

This is the same poor kid that started threatening guards when they weighed him upon entering the prison.

This kid is a piece of shit and deserves to be treated as such. He knew what he was doing and based on the actual evidence coming out already, he wasn't some poor soul caught with the wrong crowd.

[kenmore]

desertdude desertdude:

Yes brock I know that also later in 2003 he was killed in Pakistan in a Pakistani raid. And back to the time your talking about and up to then he had been a great humanitarian and set up a lot charities etc etc, It was later he started to turn into a radical.

And Thanos if your father committed a murder, does that sutomaticaly makes you a murder. Guilty by association should become law now you think ? Again people thinking emotionally rather than objectively.

And Ken as usual doesn't disappoint and fails to use even an ounce of logic, but atleast he's consitent

It wasn't his daddy that threw the grenade... it was omar.... he is a fucking terrorist.. end of story...

[Gunnair]

kenmore kenmore:

desertdude desertdude:

Yes brock I know that also later in 2003 he was killed in Pakistan in a Pakistani raid. And back to the time your talking about and up to then he had been a great humanitarian and set up a lot charities etc etc, It was later he started to turn into a radical.

And Thanos if your father committed a murder, does that sutomaticaly makes you a murder. Guilty by association should become law now you think ? Again people thinking emotionally rather than objectively.

And Ken as usual doesn't disappoint and fails to use even an ounce of logic, but atleast he's consitent

It wasn't his daddy that threw the grenade... it was omar.... he is a fucking terrorist.. end of story...

You'd have a shred of moral credibility if you had the same piss fit against these terrorists...






They weren't brainwashed 15 year olds who killed someone in combat, they murdered someone in cold blood.

Whine about them and their ilk for a while...

[CanadianJeff]

It's a tricky case with Omar both because the arguments for and against him being a victim of Islamic childhood indoctrination and doing what he did because he is a genuine terrorist are both pretty much valid points.

That's exactly WHY a FAIR trial would be so important. So the argument can be resolved with reasonable certainty.

The question should be will he get a fair trail?

[martin14]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

It's a tricky case with Omar both because the arguments for and against him being a victim of Islamic childhood indoctrination and doing what he did because he is a genuine terrorist are both pretty much valid points.

That's exactly WHY a FAIR trial would be so important. So the argument can be resolved with reasonable certainty.

The question should be will he get a fair trail?

He'll get much better than the Taliban's idea of a fair trial.

Or just about anyone else's for that matter.

[CanadianJeff]

Then what is there to fear.

If it really is a fair trail then Justice will prevail and he will get only what he truly deserves.

Personally though with so many members of the American military on the Jury I question if that's truly to be the case.

Then again maybe I'll be proven wrong. In any case I would say that any human that believes in the idea of human rights and rejects the concept of allowing a doctrine of either politics or nationality to win over human rights should watch this trial closely.

edit: My point to put it bluntly is that we should hope and speak out for a trail that will be based on real evidence rather then a simple and fast conviction of the man without a fair and honest trail for political reasoning.

[martin14]

Jeff, it's a military court, formed to deal to with wartime actions.


It's not a civilian trial for a break and enter.




So the rules will be different from a civilian process.

[commanderkai]

martin14 martin14:

Jeff, it's a military court, formed to deal to with wartime actions.


It's not a civilian trial for a break and enter.




So the rules will be different from a civilian process.

Exactly. The standard of evidence will be understandably less too. These are soldiers, after all, not detectives on Law and Order.

[desertdude]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

It's a tricky case with Omar both because the arguments for and against him being a victim of Islamic childhood indoctrination and doing what he did because he is a genuine terrorist are both pretty much valid points.

That's exactly WHY a FAIR trial would be so important. So the argument can be resolved with reasonable certainty.

The question should be will he get a fair trail?

Thank you Jeff for looking at this rationally rather than emotionally.