[GreenTiger]

It seems that this argument is turning from Saudi Arabs being innocent this this this being an inside job. The hijackers were found in the cockpits that were recovered. They did it.

There is a point to realize though that we can't blame every single moslem that we meet as a terrorist and seek to exact revenge. That makes you a terrorist TOO.
We have to reserve our anger for those eho take up arms and words to destroy our way of life, not just the garden varity muslim who just want to do his moslem thing.

[Lemmy]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

We have to reserve our anger for those eho take up arms and words to destroy our way of life, not just the garden varity muslim who just want to do his moslem thing.

But what if "destroying your way of life" were good for humanity and the planet?

[CanadianJeff]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

It seems that this argument is turning from Saudi Arabs being innocent this this this being an inside job. The hijackers were found in the cockpits that were recovered. They did it.

There is a point to realize though that we can't blame every single moslem that we meet as a terrorist and seek to exact revenge. That makes you a terrorist TOO.
We have to reserve our anger for those eho take up arms and words to destroy our way of life, not just the garden varity muslim who just want to do his moslem thing.

Where did you get the bit about the hijackers being found in the cockpits? I've never heard that bit before and somehow two bodies surviving blowing up in a plane and trapped under a building were recognizable?

Not saying it's not true just unlikely. I fully believe that the Taliban did the job but do you have any source on this finding hijackers in cockpits claim?

The point to realize as well IMO is that in no way will we ever defeat the terrorists without crushing the religious extremist nonsense they stand for. We need to crush the very ideology of childhood religious indoctrination before we can even think of cutting off their source of men ready to easily die for a magical non existent sky god.

While we are at it IMO we also need to crush extremist Christians from doing the same to their children as Muslims do with theirs. Both give plenty of terrorist groups lots of kids to play the extremist game on.

edit: BTW am I the only one who find it super offensive that somehow this cleric thinks that women need his permission to obey the laws of their own country above their faith. What a self righteous jerk. Does he think he has to give people permission to set aside their religion to obey real world laws!

[PublicAnimalNo9]

desertdude desertdude:

So your saying most Canadians are rasict bigots like you, but they just dont have the balls to admit it.

Oh and its Mr bush bin ladin to you

Racist??? Really?? So if I said I hated Catholics would that make me racist as well? I'm just curious here how not agreeing with someone's belief system is racist. Lots of ppl here don't believe in God or Christianity, are they racist too?
Hey Derby, Dayseed, et al, yer all racists
I get so fucking sick and tired of the "R" word getting tossed around like it's a part of casual dinner conversation.
I have several friends from the Middle East, even had a couple of guys from Iran that worked for me. They all hate Islam and muslims because they were chased from their homes and countries of birth by them. Are they racist too?

Pick one dude, is Islam a race or a religion?

[desertdude]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

desertdude desertdude:

So your saying most Canadians are rasict bigots like you, but they just dont have the balls to admit it.

Oh and its Mr bush bin ladin to you

Racist??? Really?? So if I said I hated Catholics would that make me racist as well? I'm just curious here how not agreeing with someone's belief system is racist. Lots of ppl here don't believe in God or Christianity, are they racist too?
Hey Derby, Dayseed, et al, yer all racists
I get so fucking sick and tired of the "R" word getting tossed around like it's a part of casual dinner conversation.
I have several friends from the Middle East, even had a couple of guys from Iran that worked for me. They all hate Islam and muslims because they were chased from their homes and countries of birth by them. Are they racist too?

Pick one dude, is Islam a race or a religion?

Chill out max, before you shred your panties. Obviously you haven't read what ken has been posting around in a few previous threads. Look it up. Here's just one pearl of wisdom from ol ken

$1:

I don't go to cashiers who wear burkas or hajibs.. in major dept. stores and I don't do business with Muslim run corner stores or gas bars and I don't go to shwarma shops either.. best way to ensure your money doesn't go to support terrorist plots is boycott them

So racial profiling and labeling every muslin no matter where he is from isn't racist

We see it as a religion, unfortunately its people like ol kenny here who think we are some kind of sub human race.

[desertdude]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

The hijackers were found in the cockpits that were recovered. They did it.

I've never heard of this before aswell ? I'm with Jeff on this one.

A head first high speed impact into a concrete wall alone would disintegrate them. The cockpit and anything in it would be the first to go. Add to that an explosion, shockwave. And according to the official story laying in aviation fuel fueled fire hot enough melt the metal skeleton of the building which was designed to withstand such kind of disasters. Then not to forget being pummeled to the ground from that height under millions of tons of rubble.

I doubt you would find anything from the metal cockpit let alone anything made out of soft human tissue and bone. It would take a series of miracles for even something like a tooth to survive.

[kenmore]

Quote:
I don't go to cashiers who wear burkas or hajibs.. in major dept. stores and I don't do business with Muslim run corner stores or gas bars and I don't go to shwarma shops either.. best way to ensure your money doesn't go to support terrorist plots is boycott them....

I have freedom of choice in this country.. unlike yourself! Its my way of fighting terrorism.

[desertdude]

Point proved.........moving on

[GreenTiger]

They did find the cockpits. Theye are desiged to absob a greay deal of punishment, true they were mashed up but Mohammed Atta was identified and so was the bloke flying the other plane.

My point here is that while these guys were Islamic nuts, most Moslems just want to do their thing and mind their own business.

Many people in the States who happened to be Nuslims where getting abused who shouldn't have been. Perople were sending their Children to Christian frineds because they were afrais. Lets not turn into terrorists too.

We need to focus in AL Qada and those blokes. I have no problem with the FBI and CIA doing what they need to do to these sub primates.

But targeting the guy who runs a convenience store is something else.

There was an incident where some some Neanderthal threw a pigs head into a mosque, because he though it was "funny". The people in the Mosque weren't advocating anything evil at all. They talked about the same things discussed in any Church or Synagogue, ie how to live a good life and do good things.That makes that scumbag a terrorist as well.

It is easy to get caught up in the hype and while I'm not in favor of a mosque on Ground Zero. There are legal means. I'm not going to be a terrorist about it.

I'm for humanism. I want to get away from all religious terror. People are people and as a whole a pretty nice bunch.

[desertdude]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

They did find the cockpits. Theye are desiged to absob a greay deal of punishment, true they were mashed up but Mohammed Atta was identified and so was the bloke flying the other plane.

Could you please post some links or anything proving or atleast mentioning this. Because this is the first time I've heard this and I'm honestly curious. The best I can remember was they found atta's passport. Although still far fetched but is far more believable that what your saying.

[GreenTiger]

http://www.profindsearch.com/flight_175 ... t_9_11.htm -

I have found the above site, but what I also found was there there was a government order for the 911 workers to shut up about the cockpits and the cockpit voice recorders.

I remembered the story from the time well that they found in fact it was priority after trying to save what ever lives were possible.

Now my interest is up in this. I'll do some sore more digging.

[GreenTiger]

I'll do some more digging on the 911 cockpits, but I'd like to digress to go go back to the original thread discussion.

What irked me originally was the idea that a religious official feels that they can pass rulings on how their citizens can behave in foreign counties.

If I am in a country that follows Islamic which I think means Sharia Law I would be expected to follow that law. If I were in a hypothetical country that said it was okay to follow the local law and if I were a citizen of that hypothetical country I would be irked. Who are you to make ruling on what people in my country can can wear even though they are your citizens.

As far as the veils go and honor killings. I haven't found anything in Islam mandating that; especially honor killings that has a basis in Islam (I may be wrong) but I don't think so).

I'm just interested in the spread of "enlightened humanism"(for lack of a better word) and sweep away religious hatred. What sane person wouldn't want that.

[andyt]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Where did you get the bit about the hijackers being found in the cockpits? I've never heard that bit before and somehow two bodies surviving blowing up in a plane and trapped under a building were recognizable?

Not saying it's not true just unlikely. I fully believe that the Taliban did the job but do you have any source on this finding hijackers in cockpits claim?

Wow, a new theory enters the fray. I've never heard the Taliban being accused of doing 911. No wonder we're in Astan, but then what's all the fuss about Bin Laden?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

desertdude desertdude:

We see it as a religion, unfortunately its people like ol kenny here who think we are some kind of sub human race.

Obviously you see Islam as a race as well and not a religion, otherwise you wouldn't be complaining about it being racism.
As for Kenmore's comment you quoted, there isn't very many times I agree with what he says but I'm the same way. Here's the thing dude, we KNOW there are elements of Islamic terrorist groups in Canada. And the only way I can ensure my money doesn't go to fund people that will try to kill me or my fellow countrymen is by boycotting muslim run businesses. If the muslims in western countries have an issue with this, maybe they should take it up with the fundy leaders that have helped to instill these feelings. See, we have to take matters into our own hands because the police and gov't won't. The authourities got all worked up over some white guy in farming country buying several hundred kilos of ammonium nitrate. Imagine that, buying fertilizer in farm country, must be something up with that. But when a Middle East man living in the city with a lawn the size of a postage stamp has some 600 kilos of ammonium nitrate in his garage, and the police do nothing, that tells me they don't want to do much for fear of idiots screaming "racism"!! And the gov't won't inspect immigrants too closely for fear of chasing away a potential vote, or once again, because some jag-off will scream about the process being racist.
One last note on this topic. Canada doesn't HAVE to let ANYBODY in. We are a sovereign nation. Nobody, except those born here, has a God given right to live here. As long as muslim clerics in Canada continue to call for violence against us "infidels", I'll continue boycotting muslim businesses. What you call racism, I call self-preservation.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Obviously you see Islam as a race as well and not a religion, otherwise you wouldn't be complaining about it being racism.

Don't go there PA. That's the same excuse Proculation uses why he's not racist - Germans and Moslems aren't races. Racism is used to mean way more than prejudice against a specific race, since there are only 3 races, and science has disproved any real meaning for these anyway. I'm sure most people would class prejudice against Jews as racism, yet they're not a race either. So somebody making pronouncements about all Muslims, just substitute the word Jews to see if you still think it's OK. But of course, people are way too quick to cry racism as well. Pointing out that a large number of Muslims hate the west and want to destroy it is not racism, it's just speaking the truth.

The proper term for all these prejudices would be bigotry. But nobody uses it anymore.