[EyeBrock]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

Nope - from your post at the top of the page - no quotes from anybody else were involved.

Stret-t-t-t-t-ching a little there, Andy.

Totally and now it's getting a bit silly.

[Proculation]

andyt andyt:

Proculation Proculation:

Islam is not a race buddy. That's a retarded way of thinking.

You used the same excuse to justify your hatred of Germans. You give yourself a lot of room for bigotry, don't you?

Jews aren't a race either, yet you accuse people of antisemitism. So when Muslims cheer 'cause Jews are killed, that's bad, but when you cheer when Germans are killed, that's OK? And if you're anti-Islamic, why complain if somebody else is anti-Jewish - both religions, no?

Jews are not a race ???

Read some books man.

[Zipperfish]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

You still haven't defined where this MP has said, or i have said that Israel and all Jews should be destroyed. I've never said and neither did she, what the words were spoken were "Settlement" they do need one. You also ignore the many posts the post that i have made that neither the Israelis or the Palestinians want peace, or only peace on their terms, which is tantamount to an ultimatum

What i have said is that Canada should not get involved with any of that mess there. Peace would be nice but until both sides grow up they'll go on killing each other because some fictional deity said that land was their's

If you're going to make accusations of antisemitism you better have the balls to back it up with factual statements?

Ooooh...."Tantamount." Listen to Mr. Fancy-Words.

Actually I'm with you. When an Israeli or a Palestinian comes up to you and goes on about it, you should do the fingers-playing-a-tiny-fiddle-just-for-you thing.

C.S Lewis put it best, when discussing a son and mother fighting in "The Screwtape Letters":

$1:

In civilised life domestic hatred usually expresses itself by saying things which would appear quite harmless on paper (the words are not offensive) but in such a voice, or at such a moment, that they are not far short of a blow in the face. To keep this game up you and Glubose [minor demon] must see to it that each of these two fools has a sort of double standard. Your patient must demand that all his own utterances are to be taken at their face value and judged simply on the actual words, while at the same time judging all his mother's utterances with the fullest and most oversensitive interpretation of the tone and the context and the suspected intention. She must be encouraged to do the same to him. Hence from every quarrel they can both go away convinced, or very nearly convinced, that they are quite innocent. You know the kind of thing: "I simply ask her what time dinner will be and she flies into a temper." Once this habit is well established you have the delightful situation of a human saying things with the express purpose of offending and yet having a grievance when offence is taken.

That last sentence describes the whole thing to a "T". "T" is for "tantamount." See Hyperion--I can use big words too.

[jason700]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

You still haven't defined where this MP has said, or i have said that Israel and all Jews should be destroyed. I've never said and neither did she

I watched the video three times now... I still haven't heard her say anything even remotely close to that. Could someone please point out to us at exactly what point in the video she says "Israel doesn't have a right to exist"?

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

If you're going to make accusations of antisemitism you better have the balls to back it up with factual statements?

[EyeBrock]

The video shows Ms. Davies answering a series of questions about the situation in the Middle East, starting with comments suggesting that Israel has been occupying territories since 1948, which is the year of its independence.

“[The occupation started in] ‘48. It’s the longest occupation in the world,” she said in the video. “People are suffering. I’ve been to the West Bank and Gaza twice, so I see what’s going on.”

Ms. Davies also expressed her personal support for an international campaign for a boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel, breaking ranks with her party’s official position.

Thomas Mulcair, the NDP’s other deputy leader, said he found the video online last week and “was very quick to point it out” to some of his colleagues to clarify the party’s support of a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine.

“No member of our caucus, whatever other title they have, is allowed to invent their own policy,” said Mr. Mulcair. “We take decisions together, parties formulate policies together, and to say that you’re personally in favour of boycott, divestment and sanctions for the only democracy in the Middle East is, as far as I’m concerned, grossly unacceptable.”



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[jason700]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The video shows Ms. Davies answering a series of questions about the situation in the Middle East, starting with comments suggesting that Israel has been occupying territories since 1948, which is the year of its independence.

“[The occupation started in] ‘48. It’s the longest occupation in the world,” she said in the video. “People are suffering. I’ve been to the West Bank and Gaza twice, so I see what’s going on.”

And it's quite obvious in the video that she wasn't really sure... Maybe she should have said that "I'm not sure." She DID say "I'm not gonna argue numbers." Which also tells me that she wasn't sure. She has since apologized for her mistake.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ms. Davies also expressed her personal support for an international campaign for a boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel, breaking ranks with her party’s official position.

Thomas Mulcair, the NDP’s other deputy leader, said he found the video online last week and “was very quick to point it out” to some of his colleagues to clarify the party’s support of a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine.

“No member of our caucus, whatever other title they have, is allowed to invent their own policy,” said Mr. Mulcair. “We take decisions together, parties formulate policies together, and to say that you’re personally in favour of boycott, divestment and sanctions for the only democracy in the Middle East is, as far as I’m concerned, grossly unacceptable."

I'm glad to see you recognize this and you're not ready to paint all Dippers with the same brush. I agree with Mulcair on everything said here.

[EyeBrock]

Jason, I have respect for some NDP guys Federally and in Ontario. My roots are working class and I believe in fairness and equality.

Libby Davies isn't the rabid anti-semite that the Yank old biddy was, but she lacked judgement on being involved with this march.

It reminds me of Paul Martin and others being at a Tamil Tiger fund-raiser. Just bad judgement, and both parties probably meant well, PM and Libby.

She should get a public slap but it is indicative of some internal problems in Jack's camp.

[Smacle]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

”

Ms. Davies also expressed her personal support for an international campaign for a boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel, breaking ranks with her party’s official position.

Actually, she said that she does not support the boycott but does support having the subject brought before the parliament and the entire situation of Israel into a political spectrum.

2:30
"But you are supporting a boycott of Israel and their government?"

"No actually I haven't even gone that far."

[Smacle]

She has some good points. I'm not a supporter of either side. Israel and Hamas have both gotten their hands dirty. Their claims over who rightfully owns that land is between them but Canada should be doing more to condone any obvious targeting of innocent civilians and crimes against humanity. We need to distance ourselves from either side because neither of them are looking so hot.

[kenmore]

I think even if she didn't apologize she is entitled to her opinion right or wrong.
Why should she compromise her point of view. She ( in her opinion ) was not being anti semetic, but stating her thoughts ... so no she shouldn't resign. And if her constituents feel differently then they will vote her out next round.