[Lemmy]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Best post in the entire thread!

x 2.

[SprCForr]

Fuck. I must be getting old. Some of that wisdom of the ages shit is oozing out.

[2Cdo]

Lemmy Lemmy:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Best post in the entire thread!

x 2.

I've seen the army transition through this, having joined in 81, and not liking the idea of females in the combat arms. I personally still don't like it, but have accepted it. My wife can't understand why any female would want to serve in the combat arms after seeing and smelling me after some extended time on exercise!

[2Cdo]

SprCForr SprCForr:

Fuck. I must be getting old. Some of that wisdom of the ages shit is oozing out.

Great, now the engineer types are going to think that they are as smart as us infantry guys!

[SprCForr]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Thank god the Great engineer types are smarter than us infantry guys!

Fixed.

You guys can't even construct a logical thought without hollering for our help.

[Brenda]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I've seen the army transition through this, having joined in 81, and not liking the idea of females in the combat arms. I personally still don't like it, but have accepted it. My wife can't understand why any female would want to serve in the combat arms after seeing and smelling me after some extended time on exercise!

Honestly, I don't understand either...
I am far from a girly girl, but that is something I can't see as "fun". Then again, I hate working out too

[Richard]

Thank you for your post SprCForr that should about cover what I meant. I was on the wrong end of the shovel a few times while they figured out roles and responsibilities. But that wasn't the only thing. Should have waited it out but timing is everything.

[SprCForr]

It was just another component of that "perfect storm" that was brewing, brother.

[rickc]

So if the policy against women joining the military can be changed,than why not the "no sex policy"? Policies come and go.Policies against women joining the military,women serving on ships,submarines,and combat aircraft.Policies declaring segregated militaries [remember those?].All these policies were fought for by the military.They were essential to disipline and morale.[That way of thinking is still being used to keep homosexuals out of the U.S. military].All those policies have gone the way of the calvary charge,and yet the military is still able to perform its function.

Its funny how the military branches want the latest in military technology,but want thier people to live in Camelot.Any talk of change is met with resistance and the battlecry of "tradition".Wearing a bright red jacket to battle was once a tradition as well,I do not see anyone advocating its return.

I am against fraternization as I have stated previously in this thread,but sex between consenting adults of equal rank is no one else's business.Calling it a tradition is living in the past,and short sighted.You can fight human nature all you want,you will lose.Look at the birth rates for unwed mothers in all those Catholic countries in Latin America where you are supposed to wait untill you are married to have sex.See how well that is working out.

Imagine a highly decorated soldier,willing to fight and die for his country.He gets discharged for having sex with a consenting adult of equal rank,not under his command.His career is cut short for being human? I'm sorry but thats lame.It is time to change this policy.Stop ending careers for being human.

[Guy_Fawkes]

rickc rickc:

So if the policy against women joining the military can be changed,than why not the "no sex policy"? Policies come and go.Policies against women joining the military,women serving on ships,submarines,and combat aircraft.Policies declaring segregated militaries [remember those?].All these policies were fought for by the military.They were essential to disipline and morale.[That way of thinking is still being used to keep homosexuals out of the U.S. military].All those policies have gone the way of the calvary charge,and yet the military is still able to perform its function.

Its funny how the military branches want the latest in military technology,but want thier people to live in Camelot.Any talk of change is met with resistance and the battlecry of "tradition".Wearing a bright red jacket to battle was once a tradition as well,I do not see anyone advocating its return.

I am against fraternization as I have stated previously in this thread,but sex between consenting adults of equal rank is no one else's business.Calling it a tradition is living in the past,and short sighted.You can fight human nature all you want,you will lose.Look at the birth rates for unwed mothers in all those Catholic countries in Latin America where you are supposed to wait untill you are married to have sex.See how well that is working out.

Imagine a highly decorated soldier,willing to fight and die for his country.He gets discharged for having sex with a consenting adult of equal rank,not under his command.His career is cut short for being human? I'm sorry but thats lame.It is time to change this policy.Stop ending careers for being human.

This point has been argued to death, you cant have sex with someone while you are on deployment. You cant fuck someone while your at work in any other job why should the military be special. If you want to fuck your fire team partner, fine: finish your tour, get a bucket of lube and ram each other till it falls off. That is perfectly legal in the CF, just dont do it on tour.

[SprCForr]

First off, it isn't just some whacked out puritanical reason to prohibit sexual relations while deployed. Nor is it an attempt to ban human nature. It's about controlling ones baser instincts in a given environment. Banging Cindy-loo while deployed is indicative of two things being deficient: Self control and self discipline. Those two things are critical elements in any professional soldier. If someone can't control that instinct (with the full knowledge that it is in violation of a lawful direct order) then one has to assume that it can be compromised in another, like self preservation at the expense of the mission. That is unforgivable. Full stop.

So the bottomline is, anything that may compromise ones self discipline and control shall be prohibted, banned or regulated as deemed necessary. Being a leader adds even more self control and discipline into the mix.



It's a regulation to assist one in maintaining a degree of self control and discipline necessary.

[2Cdo]

SprCForr SprCForr:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Thank god the Great engineer types are smarter than us infantry guys!

Fixed.

You guys can't even construct a logical thought without hollering for our help.

Great engineer types? Isn't that an oxymoron?