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[BeaverFever]

Proculation Proculation:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Proculation Proculation:

I would think she's Persian, not Arab.

I don't think anyone said she was Arab.

Ah sorry I've just read she's Pashtun which is a "sub-class" of Persian.

Actually, Persians belong to a group of people historically called "Western Iranians" while Pashtun are considered to be "Eastern Iranians". But don't let that fool you into thinking they are closely related. It is thought that the ancestors of Eastern and Western Iranians split from each other around 1000 BC and due to genetic drift, mixing with other peoples etc are quite unique from eachother.

Fun fact: Interestingly, it is also thought that the ancestors of both modern Europeans and modern Iranians were the same group of people(or at least shared the same language) until around 4000 BC. Iran actualy means "Aryan" and refers to a group that emerged in that region after the split with the proto-Europeans. Only through some bad 18th century pseudo-science did we westerners associate ourselves with the word "Aryan" and then Hitler made it popular, citing ancient texts hailing the Aryans as some master race...oops! We also took the word "Caucasian," which refers the Caucasus region between modern-day Iran and Russia.

[Regina]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Holidays are sadly over.

Did you walk?

[Proculation]

BeaverFever.... why not just say they are related in some ways ?

[BeaverFever]

Mostly, I just find the subject really fascinating.

Plus, they're so removed from eachother that they don't really identify with eachother.
Also, I hear so many people using the words Arab/Indian/Iranian/Persian interchangibly which is not only annoying but I think it affects they way people see the world and judge events. For example, nobody likes to talk about how "America's Enemy" Iran supported the (mostly) Persian Northern Alliance while Uncle Sam's friend of convenience Pakistan supported the Pashtun Taliban in the South. I'm not saying people here are thinking like that, I think its great that it even came up for discussion. Just thought I'd get on a soapbox.

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

This is just SAD!!


http://www.breitbart.tv/msnbc-anchor-is ... amic-ties/

Yeah, I'm hearing that in Sacramento, too. Seems the media is disappointed that they don't have a Tea Party member to hate on.

Thats just nuts.

[ShepherdsDog]

Well if it was a white guy they wouldn't have to apologize for any backlash. There'd be no, "Sorry, I know you hate us and want to kill us, so we apologize."

[Proculation]

It seems Glenn Beck went to the rescue to say that he is a US citizen and should be handled as any other US citizen as the constitution says.

[DerbyX]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

DerbyX DerbyX:

No. Its only too sad to you. The muslims I meet feel as deeply about their religion as you do about yours.

They felt so deeply that they decided to crash a couple planes into the Twin Towers and take a few thousand with them.

You seen any Christians resort to this? Eh?

-J.

Nope.

They resorted to this and this.

Now what religion is doing awful things again?

[Brenda]

No offence, but Christians didnt resort to the Holocaust. It had nothing to do with religion, other than "getting rid of Jews". Can't blame Christianity for that one...

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

No offence, but Christians didnt resort to the Holocaust. It had nothing to do with religion, other than "getting rid of Jews". Can't blame Christianity for that one...

Yes we can. We can certainly blame it in the same way people here want to blame islam for just about everything they can think off.

You can say you can't blame christianity for WW2, as the root causes there were politically based but Hitlers irrational hatred and subsequent treatment the Jews received by innumerable people at his behest finds it root cause in christianity.

Denial of this is revisionist history at its worst especially since it inevitably does place the blame for that genocide on others like Atheism.

[Thanos]

That's one myth I'd certainly like to see die out. Christianity as a whole is uniquely responsible for the phenomenon of anti-Semitism/Jew-hating altogether. It wasn't Buddhists, Hindus, or even Muslims who decided that every single Jew ever born would be held forever responsible for the death of Christ. It was Christians at the top of the original Catholic church, it was Christians at the top of the following Protestant churches, and it was the Christian parishoners who sat quietly and happily absorbed this Jew-hating nonsense for over 1700 years that are practically, and totally, responsible for every act of anti-Jewish hatred over the centuries that resulted in the completely undeserved deaths of millions of innocent people. That it took John Paul II up into the 1990's to apologize for the historical role of Catholics in the deliberate extermination of Jews shows what that particular organization is all about.

Jew-hating was not an atheist phenomenon, Nazi Germany was not an atheist country, and Adolf Hitler was not even remotely close to being an atheist. He was a Christian according to the vicious standards of just about every other Christian that preceded him.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Nope.

They resorted to this and this.

Now what religion is doing awful things again?

Hmmm let's see. Hitler wasn't a Christian so nope. Rwanda's bullshit has been going on long before religion got involved. And did you notice in that link that several priests had actually TRIED and in some cases succeeded in saving those being persecuted and murdered?

Notice you don't see any stories about muslims defending and protecting Christians that are being persecuted by other muslims? Even at serious risk to their own lives?

[Brenda]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Brenda Brenda:

No offence, but Christians didnt resort to the Holocaust. It had nothing to do with religion, other than "getting rid of Jews". Can't blame Christianity for that one...

Yes we can. We can certainly blame it in the same way people here want to blame islam for just about everything they can think off.

You can say you can't blame christianity for WW2, as the root causes there were politically based but Hitlers irrational hatred and subsequent treatment the Jews received by innumerable people at his behest finds it root cause in christianity.

Denial of this is revisionist history at its worst especially since it inevitably does place the blame for that genocide on others like Atheism.

No, we can't.
Hitler wanted the Jews gone. He didnt want everybody to convert to another religion, he just wanted what he wanted. I don't think he ever shouted "GOD IS GREAT!!" when he turned on the gaschambers.

The difference here is, is that Islam says (or at least the radical islamist, who claim to do what they do in Allah's name) to kill all infidels. Hitler said "kill all Jews. Hitler didnt act out of religion. Radical Islam does.

Politics and religion do not go well together, and cannot be compared here. You cannot blame every other (a)religious group for the Holocaust, just because it was against the Jews.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

And here come the Christian haters. Hey guys get a clue. The Jews were hated and persecuted LONG before the advent of Christianity.

Hitler WAS NOT a Christian by even the most basic of definitions. He was an occultist. I suppose yer next gonna tell me that Stalin was actually a Buddhist.
Hitler allowed the Church to remain as a functioning entity in Germany for two reasons rolled into one, it served his purpose. Most of Germany was some form of Christian, usually Lutheren or Catholic. Hitler knew better than to try and ban these institutions for fear the population would turn against him.
But of course, no one seems to remember, or they just "conveniently" forget that Hitler also had more than a few priests in Germany murdered as well.