[commanderkai]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

They why does US healthcare seem to be about Big Companies deciding which individuals need help based on what is profitable?

Honestly, I have no idea why you guys are opposed to your fellow citizens being healthy. Do you think the strong individuals who became Doctors and Nurses will suddenly stop caring about people because the government becomes another healthcare insurer?

Why does Medicaid and Medicare, let alone the number of state programs that are government run, are totally forgotten in this calculation? The United States government is ALREADY a health care insurer, they just now put in rules to make private plans not worth the price, ranging from taxes on "Cadillac" health care plans, to making all individuals have health coverage, if they want it or not.

So yes, a state sponsored health care corporation is a bad idea since it'll have UNLIMITED assets of the US treasury. Instead of just expanding and better providing Medicaid and Medicare coverage, thus covering those who cannot afford to get coverage, or get coverage due to pre-existing conditions, they decided to put forth this idea, which, in my opinion, is bad.

Why not the United States government fix what is broken, instead of trying something much larger?

[BartSimpson]

poquas poquas:

Ladies and gentlemen. Elvis has left the building! It’s over (for now).

If the Republicans can grow up and find a rational excuse to kill it later, they’ll have to get elected on that basis and then they can do what they want.

I seriously doubt the American people will want to have it removed.

Actually, several states filed their lawsuits today to get this overthrown. Given the current composition of the US Supreme Court I expect this thing to be dead sometime after the fall elections. Which means a lot of these Democrats who voted for this thing will have thrown away their careers in vain.

[poquas]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

poquas poquas:

Ladies and gentlemen. Elvis has left the building! It’s over (for now).

If the Republicans can grow up and find a rational excuse to kill it later, they’ll have to get elected on that basis and then they can do what they want.

I seriously doubt the American people will want to have it removed.

Actually, several states filed their lawsuits today to get this overthrown. Given the current composition of the US Supreme Court I expect this thing to be dead sometime after the fall elections. Which means a lot of these Democrats who voted for this thing will have thrown away their careers in vain.

We can talk about it then, can't we.

[sandorski]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

See, here's the problem with trying to create a scary bogeyman to scare people with though. Sooner or later people start to notice the bogeyman just isn't showing up....

Indeed. That's why the Tea Party movement will fizzle out to nothing.

[N_Fiddledog]

You wish.

I'm looking forward to this summer's session of townhall meetings.

And to paraphrase V for Vendetta...

Remember, remember.
Summer's followed by November.

[Public_Domain]

[N_Fiddledog]

Ultimately it's a film about the power of the people to bring down an evilarchy.

Americans should all wear those masks when they go to the polls in November. That would be cool.

In fact, if I can wear one, go ahead, book me on Stewart.

[herbie]

Thanos Thanos:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

I have to ask you a serious question. Are you gainfully employed and do you pay taxes?

I run my own business.
I'm up in McMurray almost all the time as part of the filthy oil patch.
I made an average of $75K per year for the last five years.
I pay my fair share of taxes, both corporate and personal.

I also don't piss and moan like a fucking four-year old (or an American) about tin-hatted communist tyrannies or mythical welfare leeches.

You're part of what's called a "Society", whether you like it or not. Look it up in the goddamn encyclopedia to find out what it means. What it doesn't mean is that the richest or the most vicious get to win all the time.

Grow the hell up already. Or, more appropriately in your case, go join some compound like the Branch Davidians or the militia nuts and live the rest of your life in shivering, paranoid terror about the government coming to take away all of your stuff. You people and your "rugged individualist" crap died out about the same time as the Old West did.

My sentiments exactly. They'll admit to having a culture and everything else, but admitting they're a society would be socialist?
WTF is with getting your panties in a knot over someone's incredibly stupid freedom to choose not to have any coverage at all?'
Just get over the childish aversion to paying taxes and institute a gov't run single payer system like everyone else in the civilized world has. Then burdens to employers and freedom of people to choose not to is moot.

[xerxes]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Ultimately it's a film about the power of the people to bring down an evilarchy.

Americans should all wear those masks when they go to the polls in November. That would be cool.

In fact, if I can wear one, go ahead, book me on Stewart.

Which was taken from a graphic novel which was a diss against against Thatcher.

[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Ultimately it's a film about the power of the people to bring down an evilarchy.

Americans should all wear those masks when they go to the polls in November. That would be cool.

In fact, if I can wear one, go ahead, book me on Stewart.

Which was taken from a graphic novel which was a diss against against Thatcher.

Yes, and when the film was made the writer of the book, Alan Moore had his name taken from the credits.

The actor who played V in the film claimed, "Alan Moore was writing about something which happened some time ago. It was a response to living in Thatcherite England... This is a response to the world in which we live today. So I think that the film and the graphic novel are two separate entities."

Even so, although "Moore used his portrait of a totalitarian Britain as a means to artistically indict the highly conservative government of Margaret Thatcher in 80s Great Britain" is it frozen in that interpretation? Is that all it can ever be, or mean? Is 1984 forever and always, only an indictment of communism? For that matter does it lose significance after 1984.

Writer Joss Whedon is an atheist, yet there are times he accepts Christian as a possible interpretation of scenes from his works. Why do you think that is?

I see the character V as symbolic of freedom, or hope of freedom, or some such thing. To me the politics of the restrictive regime in the film are open. It is only, as I said before, an evilarchy (my very own word). At the end of the movie the people reject the totalitarian rule in dramatic fashion. I enjoy that, and choose to find it significant. I've heard myself say, "That's so 1984" under every Prime Minister I've ever lived under, even after 1984.

You don't like my interpretation of V for Vendetta? I don't know, hold your breath till you turn blue, or something, but it won't make your interpretation any more valid than mine.

[Thanos]

And in acknowledgement of the unending fight against creeping fascism, the remake of "V For Vendetta" five years from now will feature a scene of Rush Limbaugh bravely blowing up a hospital full of welfare leech moms.

[ManifestDestiny]

herbie herbie:

My sentiments exactly. They'll admit to having a culture and everything else, but admitting they're a society would be socialist?
WTF is with getting your panties in a knot over someone's incredibly stupid freedom to choose not to have any coverage at all?'
Just get over the childish aversion to paying taxes and institute a gov't run single payer system like everyone else in the civilized world has. Then burdens to employers and freedom of people to choose not to is moot.

says you. One thing that I have noticed here is uc Americans could care less that that you have no choice for healthcare. But you all get your panties in a knot cause we have a choice.

You would not understand you have been conditioned not to think your socialist.

[ManifestDestiny]

One thing most people dont bring up is that the main point of this bill is the largest tax increase in the history of the USA.

Its a pure redistribution of wealth. The majority of the money in this bill goes to medicaid which helps the poor. The problem I have with this is that you have just put more people in a cycle of living off of the goverment.

[sandorski]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

herbie herbie:

My sentiments exactly. They'll admit to having a culture and everything else, but admitting they're a society would be socialist?
WTF is with getting your panties in a knot over someone's incredibly stupid freedom to choose not to have any coverage at all?'
Just get over the childish aversion to paying taxes and institute a gov't run single payer system like everyone else in the civilized world has. Then burdens to employers and freedom of people to choose not to is moot.

says you. One thing that I have noticed here is uc Americans could care less that that you have no choice for healthcare. But you all get your panties in a knot cause we have a choice.

You would not understand you have been conditioned not to think your socialist.

Says the guy spouting nonsensical Talking Points.

The Brainwashed never realize they have been Brainwashed.

[ManifestDestiny]

sandorski sandorski:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

herbie herbie:

My sentiments exactly. They'll admit to having a culture and everything else, but admitting they're a society would be socialist?
WTF is with getting your panties in a knot over someone's incredibly stupid freedom to choose not to have any coverage at all?'
Just get over the childish aversion to paying taxes and institute a gov't run single payer system like everyone else in the civilized world has. Then burdens to employers and freedom of people to choose not to is moot.

says you. One thing that I have noticed here is uc Americans could care less that that you have no choice for healthcare. But you all get your panties in a knot cause we have a choice.

You would not understand you have been conditioned not to think your socialist.

Says the guy spouting nonsensical Talking Points.

The Brainwashed never realize they have been Brainwashed.

Yeah sure you have yet to answer my question about the pre existing conditions!!!!

Stop your lying your finally happy we are going to have deathcare like you guys!!