commanderkai commanderkai:
It has to do with the case about those retired Americans living in Mexico. They retired early, and made a choice to do so. They adapted to that choice by moving to Mexico. People make choices, and this couple made a choice that some other Americans make, while plenty of older Americans stay in the United States as well without needing to live on US government programs.
They retired and found health care unaffordable in the US. They did not choose that. I'm sure they could have worked until they were 90 too.
commanderkai commanderkai:
Their case, although interesting, cannot be applied to all individuals in Mexico without actual proof.
You keep rejecting the prrof because you don't want to see it. Once again, multitudes of Americans are traveling abroad to seek affordable health care.
commanderkai commanderkai:
There's a huge population living near and along the Mexico border. If you can argue that Arkansas' population is going to Mexico for health care due to the difficulty of access in said state, I can argue that there's a huge Mexican born population in the United States (who are legals) who are saving money by accessing care in their birth-state.
Now you need to provide proof because the people running these studies take things like that into account.
commanderkai commanderkai:
No matter how much you slice it, the statistics are weak. 46 million Americans who are "uninsured", about half can afford it, but don't, because they're stupid, or they have so much money, they don't worry about it. First somebody posted 6 million outgoing medical tourists, the number is around 1 million. You post an article about 40-80 thousand retirees living in Mexico, I ask how many actually are there for health care, instead of the sunny climate or good boating waters.
Actually no. Beaver fever posted a very excellent rebuttal to that myth and I provided a link showing there are lots of places in the US where they simply cannot get health coverage. To call them stupid or say they have too much money is quite frankly wrong.
You simply don't want to accept the fact that millions of Americans do not have proper health care because it is unaffordable, facts be damned. Considering how expensive health care has become it sounds like sheer stubbornness.
commanderkai commanderkai:
Is it unaffordable to many people? Yes, yes it is. But, with the massive amount of money floating in the US budget devoted for health care (it's largest expense, IIRC) there is a huge issue with the American government plans (since they're made to cover the poorest of the poor), and yet people think it's all the fault of private industry.
Like you heap all the blame on everybody BUT the private sector. The private sector IS to blame for quite a bit since they are concerned entirely with the bottom line. As long as for profit industry has so large a control then people will suffer.
commanderkai commanderkai:
Maybe, maybe not. The problem is, saying 1 million people cross south for medical care, when there are only about 1 million Americans as medical tourists each year stretches the imagination. If you think a majority of those people are coming into Mexico from the US are Americans, fine. We'll just disagree.
Well with
Time magazine reporting it, it seems less of a stretch.
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Experts in the field say as many as 150,000 U.S. citizens underwent medical treatment abroad in 2006 — the majority in Asia and Latin America. That number grew to an estimated 750,000 in 2007 and could reach as high as 6 million by 2010. Patients are packing suitcases and boarding planes for everything from face lifts to heart bypasses to fertility treatments.
In fact in the same article it reported US hospitals were themselves sending people abroad
because it saved EVERYBODY moneycommanderkai commanderkai:
HAH. Canadians have a hard time admitting any issue with our health care system. That's another topic though.
We admit it all the time. The thing is many people think that only admitting our system is wrong and we should emulate the US or else its not admitting it.
commanderkai commanderkai:
The right has absolutely no issue with admitting there is a problem. Here, watch me. "There is a problem with US medical insurance." The problem is...you on the left take every statistic you see in newspapers or from your mouthpiece in Washington and spout them off like they're unabashed facts and evidence of your case (That's right, I can make generalizations about the left too). Also, as much as many people have issues with medical care, a majority of those in the US don't have an issue with their medical care. Pinning this on it being private industry's fault totally ignores the American government, and it's failures as well.
No you aren't really admitting it when you dispute every stat designed to support the opposing position. The problem is that the people who aren't satisfied are the ones who simply cannot afford health care. Far from ignoring the governments fault what I see is a complete clusterfuck of opposition to Obama trying to fix just that.
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